Considering a RogueFollow

I'm coming back after a 2-year break and trying to decide which class I want to roll. The game's installing as we speak (yay!)

I played a Hunter as my main before, but am looking for a different play-style this time around. I'm a damage-dealer at heart though, so I'm debating between Rogue, Lock, or a Mage.

Pleas put your bias towards Rogues aside just because you are one, I'm not looking to hear about how "OMG ROGUES RULE!" or "DUDE ROGUES ARE SO OP'D" or any of that nonsense. I'm just looking for some information to help me make a more educated decision.


As a Rogue, does using swords mean I don't have to worry about position? (i.e. being behind the mob)?

Is Rogue's CC (stuns and such) as useful in Raids as it is in PvP?

Player skill aside, is a Rogue going to be able to stay on top of Mage and Locks in the DPS meter in a Raid? I ask because Mages and Locks have great CC and utility, so if they can top a Rogue in DPS as well, I'd lean towards them.

How's Rogue downtime when grinding up to 70? If I'm leveling First Aid, am I going to have a lot of downtime?



Any other things you think I should consider when choosing between the three classes would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance

I believe you mean carpeltunnel.

Rogues are fun (period). Stealth will be your most used ability no matter what anybody says. Not necessarily your most spammed, but the one you will be spending the most collective time using.


Now on to your actual questions.

1. No positioning is required for swords unless you are trying to use garrote.

2. I havnt raided either, but I would ***-u-me that CC would be helpful for big pulls in raids. Not necessarily stuns though unless your MT is hurting (which shouldn't happen)

3. Rogues are built for DPS, and so in equal level gear, they should out dmg every other class (that has been my experience in 5-mans and such)

4. Downtime is minimal with cooking and/or first aid skill and as stated above grinding a few humanoids should keep you in a good supply of bandages.


I would like to suggest you level up daggers to at least 20 so you have a hang of both sides of the class, but that's optional.


Edit: I would like to point out that RivenKito has 69 posts (hehe)

Edited, Feb 5th 2008 10:19pm by Untoucheable

Stuns are somewhat usefull in raids. Mind you i only have Kara and Gruul experience atm. The only time i stun is before Attumen (the horses have an annoying charge ability, so i usually stun the stable hands / other humanoids for better CC. Usually one rogue is put on each stable hand for a long as possible stunlock. It isn't neccessary to survive but it makes it all a little more secure.

Further in kara with the ghost dancers (near Moroes going through to Maiden) i sometimes am asked to stun one that attacks healers. It all depends on who is coming to the raid; the newbies or the experienced crowd.

As for DPS in raids, i was always specced HARP for raiding, i was around 5th-6th in damage, surpassed by our rogue officer (who always leads damage), 1 hunter , 2 mages and a lock i think.

I have respecced now, working with the not so spectacular cookie cutter mace build. I now am second on the damage output, pretty far behind on the number one rogue but at 2nd place at a distance from the rest.

I never believed all the talk that rogues do great damage untill i respecced properly (i should still switch to swords for maximum output). Only thing is i want my maces for PVP :P

Sure



No, but it's sometimes useful. I usually sap in SSC and TK, so is useful but less powerful than CC made by hunter or mage. Also you can CC far less times than a mage or a hunter (SAP only at the beginnin of a fight, only humanoids). Sometimes also blind is useful.



If you are in a proper melee group and have the same level of equip of mage, locks and have the proper spec (i.e. combat swords) you are goin to top the meters. I'm NOT in a proper melee group and I have NOT the proper spec (no good sword still dropped, no BG made) :-/



Rogues are damn, damn fun to play. And in 25 men or also 10 men are very easy to play compared to ranged dps classes (I'm thinkin about bosses like Lurker Below, Hydross, Void Reaver, Akil'Zon, Shade of Aran and such).

Sap really in SSC or TK? What no mages? There are alot of big pulls but I cant see a need for Sap in any thing kara and beyond. unless there are no locks or mages or priest in it. 5 man yea all the time cc rocks in 5 man if you have enough dps to down the mob before sap breaks




Haha sorry, There is no way a rogue vice ranged would be easier on any of those fights!! Lurker.. range stands on the edge and never gets knocked back. void all that ranged has to worry about the arcane bombs going at you, but they are easily avoided. As a rogue on void you have keep running away from him ever 15 seconds. unless your fully arcane resist. Shade isnt hard for a rogue but we have alot longer of a run then the casters do! I mean Rogues are fun but dont think they are easy to play end game raids. I would want a sucky mage before a sucky rogue. but a great rogue over a great mage!

my 2 cents



Edited, Feb 6th 2008 10:06am by XpReSSdaPiMp

You forget about the spit (I'm not sure if it's the right name :-PP), we can keep up the dps running on the platform, for ranged dps is damn difficult. And if you use BigWigs or DBM is easy to go the edge of the platform when needed and not a second before (usually I rupture before so my dps keep on goin).



We have healers for rogues :-) we stay behind, nuke Void, combat done. No movement needed. Even without healers, the Void has a big melee range, so you have to go back only a few steps and then return to your position.



With Shade I keep on nukin and kickin him. I worry only about the arcane explosion, and if I'm late it's easily avoided with sprint or I think even CoS (been a long time since i did it, so I don't really remember if it works).

Also the Big Bad Wolf is funny, you vanish and it's done...

We usually have one mage and two rogues, so we sap two and sheep one in the bigger humanoid pulls. When the sap breaks, we blind em. When they break usually the tanks are free to take em. We are also short on priest, and usually they heal or prefer keepin mana for dps.

We sure have also hunters for traps, so we can do almost all humanoid pulls easily with two tanks.