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#1 Feb 05 2008 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I would like to know if someone uses this spell in his normal rotation as a Disc/Holy priest when dpsing.

I assume the +spell dmg coefficient of this spell is 85% (3 sec cast), same as Holy Fire (DD part) and better than Smite. Can someone confirm this? If that's true it makes this spell very appealing when you have the talents to make it a 2 sec cast. And I'm only talking about the damage part; the mana burnt is a plus (in case the enemy has mana).

Actually I'm only using it in PvP situations and on rare PvE occasions but I want to try it on a regular basis. Advices are welcomed.

One more thing, does someone knows how the mana burnt is converted on the threat scale?

Thanks
#2 Feb 05 2008 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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I think I recall, but am not sure about, Mana Burn does not scale with more damage or do any more DPS than from the mana burnt, a value that cannot increase or decrease.

So, Mana Burn is not supposed to be used for DPS reason, but for defensive purposes.
#3 Feb 05 2008 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah it seems you're right, I just read that from WoWWiki.

And about the threat, also from WowWiki (same page):

"Its threat simply depends on its damage and follows normal rules; the mana drain does not cause any additional threat."

So I guess I'll stick with my actual spell rotation!
#4 Feb 06 2008 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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It's special niche is in PvP. Burn a pally so he cant heal anymore.
#5 Feb 07 2008 at 4:21 AM Rating: Default
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It's special niche is in PvP. Burn a pally so he cant heal anymore.


or burn a mage and laugh as he runs around crapping himself
#6 Feb 07 2008 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually - burn anyone with a manabar! And yes, I do mean everyone - it works against locks as well since you will both damage his HP and MP and then his HP again when he lifetaps.
#7 Feb 07 2008 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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SL/SL locks can not only have everything dispelled they throw at you, but mana burning forces them to kill themselves for you :P
Hunters becomes *worthless* without mana, and they also have awful regen rates. Manaless hunter = throwing paper balls for all their effectiveness.
And of course healers. Manaless healers and pretty worthless.
#8 Feb 07 2008 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I haven't been attacked very often with Mana Burn on my warlock. But on the rare occasion it happened I've been very surprised each time. It's kinda tricky because when PvPing I'm looking at my hp bar more than mana bar so when I see my mana being so low it's like "wtf??? what happened!!!". ha ha ha

I've tested Mana Burn in my last SM Cath run. I've used it against the healers (the Chaplains) and the Sorcerers. The spell is working fine but they seem to have a huge mana pool, 5000+ mana for lvl 38 mobs. So it's still more efficient to nuke them down then to try to mana burn them.

I guess the rule of thumb is: if you PvP take the Imp Mana Burn talent, if not pass.

Btw on the same SM run I had to DPS. I'm usually healing but another priest wanted to heal. Anyway short story I've finished #1 on the DPS chart by a good margin with a 38% total damage dealt. I couldn't believe it. Granted we had no true DPS class in our group but still... it's possible to be a decent dpser as a mid-level Disc/Holy priest. Our 4 man group was: 38 feral druid (tank), 41 holy pally, 38 disc/holy priest (me) and 36 holy priest (healer).
#9 Feb 07 2008 at 8:02 AM Rating: Decent
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LOL around that group - kinda impressive you made it through, sure the mobs weren't killing themselves out of boredom? ;)
#10 Feb 07 2008 at 8:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Ha ha ha! You got it!

No kidding it was one of the smoothest run I've ever done. It was a great group. No wipes, not even close to. Good players > well balanced group.
#11 Feb 07 2008 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Let me tell you a story about PvE mana burn. It's about a little instance called "Zul'Gurub". If you weren't a raider at 60 you probably have only heard of it in vague, knowing references, but it was a big deal in those days. It was the first 20-man raid. In relation to Molten Core, the entry-level 40-man raid, the fights were more complex, the gear requirements lower, and the loot at least comparable. All this meant it was a lot more fun, and a lot of people ran it.

Well, several bosses in that instance are casters. Some of them have truly nasty spells and effects that you *dreaded* seeing. So some people got an idea: "Hey, if we mana burn these bosses, we can reduce their spellcasting!"

So in several fights, some guilds tried using mana burn, viper sting, and mana drain to inhibit the bosses using their abilities.

The result was the classic "mixed bag". In some cases, it did _slow_ the rate at which the bosses used their abilities. I emphasize the word slow because it in no way stopped the bosses from doing their thing. Data mining revealed that bosses often need very little mana to use their spells. So while it was easy to knock off MOST of a boss' pool, it was nigh-impossible to keep them down to the point where they stopped casting. NPC mana regen, after all, is independent of the 5SR (as PC's used to be, but that's another story); it always ticks. Keeping a boss at zero mana proved to be extremely difficult and, at best, terribly inefficient.

Jin'do the Hexxer was the worst. Jin'do has such a bewildering array of abilities that even slowing them down was seen as a vital component of the fight. Unfortunately, not only is Jin'do's mana pool massive, but the fight is an endurance fight by nature. Priests in particular were forced to spend a prohibitive amount of mana trying to burn him down, meaning that the latter portions of the fight were terrible.

After a while, most guilds gave up on trying to mana burn even those bosses, and used their mana and time towards killing the boss/ healing the raid.

And thus: Mana Burn = PvP spell. Don't use in PvE.

There is only one fight in all of WoW where mana burning is a viable PvE strategy, and that was in AQ against the Obsidian Destroyers. If you're not in AQ, don't think about it.

Edited, Feb 7th 2008 7:10pm by ChahDresh
#12 Feb 07 2008 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
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It wasn't just the Obsidian destroyers, they were based on a boss in Aq20 that had to be mana burnt.

Moam.

http://www.wowhead.com/?screenshot=view&1.15340#4538
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