I've been using a 45/0/16 spec for a few weeks now on my Pally. Since I am still running normal quests and dailies I really don't need my healing set on all the time. So I use a mix and match dps set along with Oathkeeper. In a normal non-elite encounter I judge Crusader, Hit seal of Command, and proceed on smacking them with my 2-H mace...with the occassional shock/exorcism/consecrate thrown in.
My reasoning was that I wanted to preserve what little dps I had for questing while still being able to main heal instances. I would switch to a more cookie cutter Holy/Prot build when it was needed. I was dazzled by the occassional big hits and was quite proud of the damage I was dishing out. I was skeptical of what everyone on this board was telling me about doing this. It seemed to be working well for me.
I stuck with this for weeks.
Then I looked at that the dps tracker that is part of Cosmos (the one that tells you your dps over the last 30 secs). I compared this to my alts. In spite of the occassional big hits, I was horrible over a 30 sec time frame. My lvl 53 hunter was doing comparable damage. And I won't even discuss how badly my 63 rogue and 65 prot warrior were crushing my output. It's depressing. I was trying to play like a retadin with none of the tools to pull it off.
It's apparent that most of my dps is coming from my spells (shocks, etc). I don't think that switching over to Holy/Prot and using a decent one-hander with a shield will decrease my dps that much while increasing my survivability ten-fold. I'm not even sure it's even possible for my dps to drop any lower.
Just wanted to tell everyone that I was WRONG and hopefully steer people clear of making similar mistakes. If you are Holy spec...don't try to use that impressive 2-hander. It just doesn't pay off in the long run.
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lol - same thing happened to me. I used to like big hammers, polearms, etc... Big damage.....or so I thought. Also, spell damage on 1H weapons seems much higher than on 2H weapons (in general).
Now, I run with a 1H mace and Shield all the time. I kill mobs almost as fast, but lose much less health. Especially when Redoubt kicks in - which is all the friggin time. Can't get it to stop..... :)
Now, I run with a 1H mace and Shield all the time. I kill mobs almost as fast, but lose much less health. Especially when Redoubt kicks in - which is all the friggin time. Can't get it to stop..... :)
Most Shockadins (And you're not really a Shockadin without Sanctity Aura) use a sword and board, not two hander. It allows for more spelldamage, and mroe surviavbility.
Similar experience for me. I just hit 70 and rearranged my talent points almost immediately. Up until then, I had been Holy/Ret with enough points in Ret to get SoCom. I had been switching out healing gear for use in instances for "dps" gear for questing and grinding.
With the respec, I went Holy/Prot and no longer have SoComm. I ditched the 2-hander and now use a shield and mace and just keep my healing gear on. I'm finding that although my weapon hits are not big, I'm doing good Holy damage with the spell power plusses. Combined with the better mitigation from the shield, I'm taking less damage and killing a little quicker. Still not as good as a dps class, but all in all, an improvement over the Holy/Ret 2-hander routine I had been using.
The only real downside, so far, is that I need to drink more often. Hopefully as I raise my MP5 this will become less of a problem. But overall, echoing OP, I think the switch to shield and mace was a good choice.
With the respec, I went Holy/Prot and no longer have SoComm. I ditched the 2-hander and now use a shield and mace and just keep my healing gear on. I'm finding that although my weapon hits are not big, I'm doing good Holy damage with the spell power plusses. Combined with the better mitigation from the shield, I'm taking less damage and killing a little quicker. Still not as good as a dps class, but all in all, an improvement over the Holy/Ret 2-hander routine I had been using.
The only real downside, so far, is that I need to drink more often. Hopefully as I raise my MP5 this will become less of a problem. But overall, echoing OP, I think the switch to shield and mace was a good choice.
Paladins aren't built for dps. If you leveled a paladin expecting ANY performance out of dps then you rolled the wrong class. I haven't read anywhere about Blizzard changing things either. If I have condensed my flames of ret paladins to "lawl ret" then commenting on someone being holy trying to do dps is even worse.
Now in the past, there were some situations where a 2h was useful. Before they added the 'free spelldamage with healing' thing, I used a gemmed hammer of the naaru (spell damage gems, 40 spell damage enchant) to help me fight my inner demon on leo. It made a huge difference on that fight. See, paladins, unlike other healers, don't change out their healing gear for a dps set since they have extra anti-demon spells. The boost from switching out my healing mace/shield to that 2h was all I needed to go from downing my demon 90% of the time (say I get unlucky resists), to downing my demon 100% of the time. Now however, I get more spell damage in my healing gear than I did in my FULL dps gear, so my hammer is completely useless (its not even good for ret anymore).
Now in the past, there were some situations where a 2h was useful. Before they added the 'free spelldamage with healing' thing, I used a gemmed hammer of the naaru (spell damage gems, 40 spell damage enchant) to help me fight my inner demon on leo. It made a huge difference on that fight. See, paladins, unlike other healers, don't change out their healing gear for a dps set since they have extra anti-demon spells. The boost from switching out my healing mace/shield to that 2h was all I needed to go from downing my demon 90% of the time (say I get unlucky resists), to downing my demon 100% of the time. Now however, I get more spell damage in my healing gear than I did in my FULL dps gear, so my hammer is completely useless (its not even good for ret anymore).
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See, paladins, unlike other healers, don't change out their healing gear for a dps
I don't know - I still have some stuff I swap out when I solo. Most healing weapons seem to have pretty low + spell damage when compared to strict + spell damage gear.
For example - Gavel of Pure Light for Healing, and Gavel of Unearthed Secrets for solo.
However, I agree with you on the armor front.
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I don't know - I still have some stuff I swap out when I solo.
Hi my name is YJMark and I don't like to read paragraphs, I like to pull sentences out and make a fool of myself by saying unrelated responses.
It seems I was not alone in my stubborn desire to make my 2-handed weapon work for me. I never planned on pumping out a lot of dps. But I really did think that that big 2 hand mace and SoC would be beter over the long haul. Oh well...live and learn I guess.
I still switch out a lot of gear though. My current heal gear is focused on keeping everyone else alive. Since I am still doing some quests I like the extra armor, agility, etc which keeps me alive when I can't help but get hit. Once I get away from questing and/or get better healing gear I will probably not switch armor so much.
I still switch out a lot of gear though. My current heal gear is focused on keeping everyone else alive. Since I am still doing some quests I like the extra armor, agility, etc which keeps me alive when I can't help but get hit. Once I get away from questing and/or get better healing gear I will probably not switch armor so much.
oops - my bad Dil. I meant to pull the quote from azwing's post. Did a quick scan, and pulled the phrase to make my point...but I pulled the wrong one...DOH!!!! Sorry about that.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that I still switch stuff between soloing and groups. That's all.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that I still switch stuff between soloing and groups. That's all.
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I have been soloing as a lvl 35 with two hand sword. I have a decent shield, would i be better off 1 handing with it for solo questing if im not going to lose that much damage? I use holy seals and judgements for a lot of my damage already if that makes a difference?
tommpat wrote:
I have been soloing as a lvl 35 with two hand sword. I have a decent shield, would i be better off 1 handing with it for solo questing if im not going to lose that much damage? I use holy seals and judgements for a lot of my damage already if that makes a difference?
Are you Ret? Prot? Holy?
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Basically all holy, begining to branch to ret actually for levling and will fill holy for endgame.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hydraxis&n=Tommpat
this is my char., is there a way to bring up my pouches to show u what my other weapon options are right now?
YJMark wrote:
oops - my bad Dil.
Props for admitting your mistake.
tommpat wrote:
Basically all holy, begining to branch to ret actually for levling and will fill holy for endgame.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hydraxis&n=Tommpat
this is my char., is there a way to bring up my pouches to show u what my other weapon options are right now?
I would never recommend going Holy early on. Not until you can get Holy Shock, or something. It really sucks for leveling at the beginning, and it is in my opinion that Ret is the way to go up until you get Reckoning/Holy Shield for some AoE grinding. Ret will work up until whenever you want to do endgame, however.
Holy and Ret do not generally mix unless you're going for a Shockadin build. Prot and Holy go great for end game, giving you a lot of survivability. And finally, Prot and Ret do not generally mix well either, unless you're going for a heavy PvP build.
The Armory does not display the contents of your bags, probably because giving away all your info on such a public/known website could lead to dangerous hackings.
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I had first read that shockadin was the way to go at another website. You don't Like it?
How much would it cost to make the switch, if I was to decide to switch now to speed my leveling? Is it relativley easy to do?
tommpat wrote:
I had first read that shockadin was the way to go at another website. You don't Like it?
How much would it cost to make the switch, if I was to decide to switch now to speed my leveling? Is it relativley easy to do?
All you have to do is go to one of your trainers. From there, click the second option to respec your talents. It costs 1 gold the first time, and increases every time you respec.
Shockadins have good burst potential, but they burn out their mana fast. It used to be a way to go if you wanted to dps, but now there is almost no point since healing gear has damage on it. Just level as a healer, spec as a healer, and the shockadin kinda comes with it. You might not put out as much damage as a dedicated shockadin, but you'll have a ton more survivability.
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