So I see a recruiting post from a guild I never heard of before, and see that a paladin made the post. Interesting, lets have a look at his char.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmane&n=Radgur
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Actually this is better than last time, he had the T4 healing helm
I hate this person, he has so many pieces of gear that I want but is doing... that with them.
Not as much to laugh at... you could use some more defensive gear instead of the spell damage gear, but if it's working for you go for it. Just don't have that same attitude when you hit 70, then you need to stack on the defensive gear. Actually... you should probably just start now. Get those "of the Champion" greens and keep those instance drops and quest rewards that increase your defensive stats, because you are going to need them when you start running the 70 instances.
Imagine 7 elite hard-hitting 2h-mobs hitting you, all of them with Mortal Strike. You gotta be defended against crits for that or by golly you'll just be another blood stain on the floor as they ravage your party.
Imagine 7 elite hard-hitting 2h-mobs hitting you, all of them with Mortal Strike. You gotta be defended against crits for that or by golly you'll just be another blood stain on the floor as they ravage your party.
Kind of related, in a tangential way. I was asked by a guildie to heal SV a couple of weeks ago. Its Mage, ShadowPriest, another Pally, me (Holy), and a Shammie. I ask "who's tanking?" and the other Pally says "me." So we start out and we are getting slammed, and I cannot keep this guy over 1/2 for the life of me. Before I could even inspect him, he asks me my spec and I tell him Holy.
He says "me too."
I retyped my response three times, because these were friends of my guildie (who has become a friend to me), and said something like "Oh, that's why you're having trouble with these guys." He says, "just trying to help out a guildie" and tells me he's wearing his tanking gear. The SP was the guildie he was talking about. Tanking gear, shmanking gear - after the second wipe I "suggested" we try again another night.
He says "me too."
I retyped my response three times, because these were friends of my guildie (who has become a friend to me), and said something like "Oh, that's why you're having trouble with these guys." He says, "just trying to help out a guildie" and tells me he's wearing his tanking gear. The SP was the guildie he was talking about. Tanking gear, shmanking gear - after the second wipe I "suggested" we try again another night.
"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Dilberrt wrote:
I'm also conflicted because I want to wear plate, but as I understand it, if I repsec Holy at 70 I may have to grab non-plate +heal/mana per/int items.
Even at 70 you should get to wear plate most of the time. You're the only class that even wears healing plate, if it drops it's going to go to you (or another Holy Pally, but that's between you and your guild). The whole mix-and-match thing really isn't as bad as most people think post-60 since Blizzard managed to get some of their itemization act together for TBC.
One can hold out a candle of hope that they'll finally have figured out how to itemize all specs of their own classes by WotLK. *cough*retpallies*cough*
EDIT: Spelling errors gnaw at me.
Edited, Feb 5th 2008 3:18pm by Gaudion
Gaudion wrote:
Dilberrt wrote:
I'm also conflicted because I want to wear plate, but as I understand it, if I repsec Holy at 70 I may have to grab non-plate +heal/mana per/int items.
Even at 70 you should get to wear plate most of the time. You're the only class that even wears healing plate, if it drops it's going to go to you (or another Holy Pally, but that's between you and your guild). The whole mix-and-match thing really isn't as bad as most people thing post-60 since Blizzard managed to get some of their itemization act together for TBC.
One can hole out a candle of hope that they'll finally have figured out how to itemize all specs of their own classes by WotLK. *cough*retpallies*cough*
I'm putting a lot of faith in 2.4. Hopefully, some of the serious issues regarding PvE Ret Paladins will be fixed.
Gaudion wrote:
Even at 70 you should get to wear plate most of the time. You're the only class that even wears healing plate, if it drops it's going to go to you (or another Holy Pally, but that's between you and your guild).
Careful, you're only one step away from the post I saw over in the priest forum "WHY IS A PALADIN ROLLING ON MY CLOTH." Armor is pretty much meaningless now. In PvP resil has eliminated the importance of plate. A warlock with high resil is much harder to kill than a paladin wearing no resil but tons of armor. In PvE, unless you're prot, you rarely ever get hit and usually if you are taking physical damage in large amounts (enough for armor value to matter) then chances are you're going to die regardless of how much armor you have. Honestly the only up-side of healing in plate, in my opinion, is the fact that plate items have higher durability than cloth does so my gear doesn't break as fast.
Dilbrt wrote:
Gaudion wrote:
Even at 70 you should get to wear plate most of the time. You're the only class that even wears healing plate, if it drops it's going to go to you (or another Holy Pally, but that's between you and your guild).
In PvP resil has eliminated the importance of plate. A warlock with high resil is much harder to kill than a paladin wearing no resil but tons of armor.
No. Wow, just... no. Warlocks are tough to kill because of Soul Link, Siphon Life, and their immense HP totals. But you can not marginalize armor in PvP. When you're trying to kill Warriors, Druids, Elemental/Resto Shaman, and Paladins with physical damage... you respect the armor.
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In PvE, unless you're prot, you rarely ever get hit and usually if you are taking physical damage in large amounts (enough for armor value to matter) then chances are you're going to die regardless of how much armor you have. Honestly the only up-side of healing in plate, in my opinion, is the fact that plate items have higher durability than cloth does so my gear doesn't break as fast.
No argument here. By all means, wear the superior cloth, leather, and mail if you can get it. But in the end, given a choice, the plate is still optimal most of the time.
Gaudion wrote:
No. Wow, just... no. Warlocks are tough to kill because of Soul Link, Siphon Life, and their immense HP totals. But you can not marginalize armor in PvP. When you're trying to kill Warriors, Druids, Elemental/Resto Shaman, and Paladins with physical damage... you respect the armor.
I'm sorry... do people looking for partners go LF druid/warrior 13,000 armor or LF druid/warrior 350+ resil? I dare you to screenshot ONE person that says looking for partner based off how much armor you have, and even if you manage to get ONE I could easily show you 100 of people looking for resil.
Well that's cause resil is something you can actually work for wheras if you are asking for a specific class, you generally know what range of armor you are going to get. I'm not arguing one way or the other, just saying that's why they wouldn't ask for armor, because if they are asking for the class, then they already know what armor range to expect from that class, especially at the resil they are asking for, as the majority of that is going to come from PvP rep rewards.
Edit: Trying to get some of the dumb out of that (hope it worked)
Edited, Feb 5th 2008 1:00pm by CapJack
Edit: Trying to get some of the dumb out of that (hope it worked)
Edited, Feb 5th 2008 1:00pm by CapJack
Dilbrt wrote:
Gaudion wrote:
No. Wow, just... no. Warlocks are tough to kill because of Soul Link, Siphon Life, and their immense HP totals. But you can not marginalize armor in PvP. When you're trying to kill Warriors, Druids, Elemental/Resto Shaman, and Paladins with physical damage... you respect the armor.
I'm sorry... do people looking for partners go LF druid/warrior 13,000 armor or LF druid/warrior 350+ resil? I dare you to screenshot ONE person that says looking for partner based off how much armor you have, and even if you manage to get ONE I could easily show you 100 of people looking for resil.
because Resiliance is en easy medium to measure your overall pvp gear. which comes with tons of Armor and Stam. which is just as important as Resiliance.
its just easier to ask for Res. values. don't assume that makes Armor any less valuable then it is.
Copycat
Exactly. If Paladins started regularly wearing cloth to PvP in I guarantee you would start seeing armor inquiries right next to the resilliance.
Dilbrt wrote:
Gaudion wrote:
No. Wow, just... no. Warlocks are tough to kill because of Soul Link, Siphon Life, and their immense HP totals. But you can not marginalize armor in PvP. When you're trying to kill Warriors, Druids, Elemental/Resto Shaman, and Paladins with physical damage... you respect the armor.
I'm sorry... do people looking for partners go LF druid/warrior 13,000 armor or LF druid/warrior 350+ resil? I dare you to screenshot ONE person that says looking for partner based off how much armor you have, and even if you manage to get ONE I could easily show you 100 of people looking for resil.
Hey, try playing a rogue in arena and then tell me armor is meaningless. Get a clue.
To elaborate i crit a lower level mage for about 1800. say it was 2k non mitigated. on 60% mitigation without res that hits for 800. >_>
Edited, Feb 5th 2008 2:45pm by KTurner
I didn't elaborate well enough the thought in my head so I'll just sit quietly now.
Lol... Oh come, Dilbrt... don't be a sore loser. You can't win 'em all. Even I'm wrong occasionally. =P
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