Traps really need to scale with gearFollow

Damn... I've been PWNED...

Hunters are the only class in the game that can CC EVERY kind of mob in the game if it's not totally immune in the first place. That fact makes Hunters a CC class same as mages, locks and rogues... problem is we are the only ones who when having a bad day can wipe an ENTIRE RAID. If a mage or rogue or warlock gets a resist or their CC gets brokwn it takes what 5 seconds or less to cast the spell again?

Kiting should be synonymous with Hunter, we're ranged fighters that have many tools to make it easy for us to do so, and therefore when traps resist or are broken or whatever, we should do whatever we can to keep that mob occupied until someone else can take care of it or we can try and trap it again. This however becomes a problem in some situations where the Hunter is the primary source of DPS...

I like the way things are, but there is room for improvement.... change traps in some way that makes all specs viable trappers and add something else to SV that makes it worthwhile... rogues, locks and mages don't have to SPEC into their CC why should Hunters have to?

While my first response was definatly rude and i dont regret it because hunters who **** and whine about trapping after they have been given so much in this game really are not hunters at all. They are just players looking for an easy time.

Now although im sure there is a great guide about trapping somewhere i will try to cover some small points of trapping. I dont claim to be a great trapper. but i have played all three specs of bm/mm mm/sv and sv/mm. My most current and ironicly my most favorite is the sv/mm

First and foremost the reasons our traps get resisted more than all other classes is because of two main reasons. The first reason is because we are allowed to trap two mobs at once no matter the spec for a very nice duration.

Now as sv we can trap even three mobs at once. That is HUGE because most groups only take about 10-15 seconds to kill a high level elite mob. This means that your traps will give a good amount of time for the group to catch up to your cc.

Also If that first point was not enough. We are a class that just screams kite and avoid damage. I really dont want to list all the skills we have for this type of play because i have done it far to many times in the past. but no matter what spec you are. You have a decent array of abilities to help you.

Of course some skills from some trees are better than others. But hey thats life. You can still get the job done regardless.

Now when i see a bm/mm hunter i see two possible scenarios. They either raid a bunch and are very good damage dealers, or they are solo questers who played bm to 70 and now have decided to try to get the cool purple stuff.

And you know what? either way is fine with me because im more than happy to help a person who is uninformed learn to trap.

One thing stands firm regardless, No matter what gear or what skills this person has, A bm hunter will ALWAYS have a harder time trapping than a sv hunter would. This of course assumes the players are of equal skill level.

Thats just the way things are.


Now as for skill related tips for getting the most outa your traps assuming your a bm hunter:

First know that in high level instances your going to be resisted more often. This means that you will need to prepare alot more for trapping, this includes laying a trap early and waiting for the cooldown to come back up or come close to being back up before the pull. Now some people would say this will slow the group down. NO!!!! a skilled hunter can do this on the fly. The hunter really is ready before everyone else, even the tank. Because when the tank is marking and the casters are drinking.. your running forward and dropping a trap. then you can drink.

this skill in itself will always give you two good traps. If by a miracle both are resisted. as a bm you have a few options still.

First intimidate the mob and put your pet on him. try to get him to aggro and kill your pet.. he wont last long but at least your pet will buy you can extra few seconds. While this is happening your kiting away from your pet and the mob. you should have about 5 full seconds. sometimes up to 8 if your pet gets a lucky evade. Now the mob will run after you. at this point you have a few options still.

you can relay a trap if the cooldown is back. or you can feign death to buy even more time.

Lets assume you feign death. The mob is now on the second highest threat target... OH **** prolly the healer. But hopefully you bought enough time to allow the tank to pick up the mob. or by this time your trap has gotta be some kinda close to being back up and you can retrap the mob.

now this scenario assumes that neither concussive shot. or wing clip would work. that is honestly to me very rare in kara and below. Most often times you will be able to suck it up and wing clip or conc shot.


so hope that helps. i kinda got off topic but the main point here is that you need to realize that different specs are strong in different areas. and also you need to learn that this game is not to be handed to you on a silver platter.

This game is not that hard. but some aspecs can be challenging. but the good news is that if countless other players can do it.. so can you.

Now also keep in mind that if your doing kara and 5 man heroics. maybe your best spec is not the bm/mm build.. maybe you should go sv/mm or mm/sv.

if your trapping alot it may be worth a shot. because to be honest the huge damage numbers that come from the bm tree really dont become huge until 25 man content. and even then alot of players can easily keep up with that damage as a mm/sv or sv/mm build..

I guess it all comes down to you.

Trap resists have nothing to do with skill. While trapping in general has very much to do with not necessarily skill but experience in doing so, so you know what to do when and so forth.

All I'm trying to say is that since hunter is considered a CC class, every hunter should be able to do it, with practice and experience, and not have to worry about high resist rates that could ruin a pull.

I know what my limitations are and I deal with it, so does the raid, so don't get the wrong idea, i'm not saying we're broken or that we suck at CC, i'm just saying that SV hunters are the only "reliable" hunter CC and BM and MM are gambles especially in raids and heroics (meaning this trapping problem really only becomes noticeable when you start doing raids and heroics).

Fix it, or don't, I still love my Hunter, but I wouldn't mind being a more reliable CC.

Dont forget scatter shot. that is another awsome mm skill that buys 4 more seconds.. one of my favorites and its an instant cast also with a (i think) 30 second cooldown

Again, IF specced for optimal trapping. Otherwise hunter CC is about as haphazard and random as it can possibly get.

I don't think anyone wants to completely eliminate trap resists, just don't force Hunters to choose between a spec for optimal dps and a spec for optimal CC. No other class has to do that; our traps should be as reliable as a fire mage's sheep or a combat rogue's sap. They're not - unless you put at least 12 points into survival.

1 second Sheep CD vs. 30 (26) sec Trap CD. A lot more manageable for the mage, dontcha think? Sure...CS, and WC are available to us, but how much can you rely on them??

Just thought I would put a little ephasis on this comment here. You do realize what spec is short for right? Specialized talents. Survival tree is a trapping specialization. Beast Mastery is a DPS specialization that focuses on the pet. Marksmanship is a DPS specialization that focuses on the hunter.

What your basically doing is trying to have your cake and eat it to. You can't do that. You have to choose, you have to specialize. This discussion is starting to cross the border from reasonable to irrational.

It's almost getting as bad as the mages fire vs frost specs. Frost mages complaining about not being a PvE spec because it doesn't have enough damage output as fire does. Fire mages simply say they are sacrifise the DPS of fire spec for survivability of frost spec. Again you can't have your cake and eat it to.

Same thing goes here. You want to go BM or MM, you are going for DPS. If you want traps to be more effective go with the traping specialist. You sacrifice DPS for more reliable traps, or you sacrifice more reliable traps for higher DPS. Basically again, you can't have your cake and eat it to.

Well that's more of a personal issue rather than a class mechanic. See one thing you have to realize is your not out there on your own. Your in a group with 4, 9, 24 other people. Even though trapping that one mob may be your responsability. The group should be there to help you out.

I mean we are talking fractions of seconds that could save lives. How much would it take for a mage to throw a frostbolt to help you kite, or a warrior to intervene and toss a quick taunt and move back to the main target, or a paladin to toss a stun(assuming it's stunable), hell even a shaman throw out an earthbind totem(the one that slows movement, sorry I'm not a shaman). All theses things take fractions of a second to do, and could save yours and the entire groups lives.

But then again, in your everyday run of the mill PUG you won't find this kind of group synergy. I understand everyone reasonings behind wanting traps to scale. I just don't see it as being necessary. We have to have balance, like I said in an above post you sacrifise DPS for better trapping, or you sacrifice better trapping for more DPS. We can't have our cake and eat it too.