If they make warlock a tanking class. I'm not kidding, this could work. If they completely redo the demo tree, itemize some cloth with +defence rating and stamina, warlock could be MT "drain-tank".
Using some skills and talent made for tanking like an equivalent to taunt, they could have their own tanking mecanism,relying on heavy health regen abilities and doind threath via draining.
A proprely geared warlock would be uncrittable/uncrusheable and have some nice sta, give some talent to compensate the lack of armor, maybe an improved Soul Link that gives like 30% reduced damage and redirect your pet's threat to you.
Any toughts ?
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Yea,that sounds really good tbh ,im pretty sure it wont happen but idea is great.
Warlocks already have a raid tanking slot. I think it's against Leo...something.
As a clothie it's been defined for ages (Dungeons and Dragons) that we're not a tank. Warlocks have amazing Survivability for a clothie, something that other clothies and clothies in other games often lack.
Fact is, though, that heals drastically outpower Damage, and for much better mana efficiency. Add in the fact that there are multiple healers on the bigger Raids and a single person Draining (even with great Damage Mitigation) to tank is not only impractical but it devalues healing classes everywhere.
It was like Shadow Knights in EQ saying they were good Main tanks because, even though they had terrible mitigation compaired to Warriors they could Drain. Well maybe on a target meant for a single SK or even a regular group this is great, but when you have multiple people healing you mitigation suddenly becomes MUCH more important than regaining HP.
Fact is that Affliction and SL/SL builds are already resilient enough, and I didn't sign up a Lock to be a Tank.
The Death Knight hero class is probobly closer to what you're asking for, though. That should be fun.
Fact is, though, that heals drastically outpower Damage, and for much better mana efficiency. Add in the fact that there are multiple healers on the bigger Raids and a single person Draining (even with great Damage Mitigation) to tank is not only impractical but it devalues healing classes everywhere.
It was like Shadow Knights in EQ saying they were good Main tanks because, even though they had terrible mitigation compaired to Warriors they could Drain. Well maybe on a target meant for a single SK or even a regular group this is great, but when you have multiple people healing you mitigation suddenly becomes MUCH more important than regaining HP.
Fact is that Affliction and SL/SL builds are already resilient enough, and I didn't sign up a Lock to be a Tank.
The Death Knight hero class is probobly closer to what you're asking for, though. That should be fun.
now even with 'high armour' cloth gear with +defence, we're obviously going to end up loosing our +dmg, so yeah. in a raid we'll drain life for roughly 500-600 per second. the raid boss will hit us for roughly 12k per hit (every 5seconds at most i'd say). yeah it won't work.
well then if it wont work in cloth, let us wear plate, we wont be too OP ;D
we will be near indestrucable
we will be near indestrucable
the only possibility is to go druid like. give us a talented demon form that limits the spells available (no dest spells most likely) which increases armour by like 600-800% and converts +dmg to dodge, defence + some new mitigation (partial phase shift? hehe) as well as a large threat multiplier
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Just spec for Demonology, have you seen the video of the felguard tanking Attunemen in Karazhan? Why get hit when your demon can do it! Take a look through YouTube.
Granted its only Attunemen, but just wait until the next expansion. Who knows what new powers Warlocks will be able to bequeath their demons.
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Granted its only Attunemen, but just wait until the next expansion. Who knows what new powers Warlocks will be able to bequeath their demons.
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Just spec for Demonology, have you seen the video of the Felguard tanking Attunemen (...) in Karazhan? Why get hit when your demon can do it! Take a look through YouTube.
Granted its only Attunemen (RAAARGH! *stabbity stabbity*), but just wait until the next expansion. Who knows what new powers Warlocks will be able to bequeath their demons.
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God dammit, the boss is not called Attunement!
Granted its only Attunemen (RAAARGH! *stabbity stabbity*), but just wait until the next expansion. Who knows what new powers Warlocks will be able to bequeath their demons.
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God dammit, the boss is not called Attunement!
Anyway, tanking early Karazhan mobs is nothing. Hell, Attumen (mounted) takes two/three hits to actually take down a Mage. Warlocks are already, in the eyes of many, overpowered, giving us tank capabilities would result in nerfs to our DPS, and people would STILL prefer a proper Plate tank. Note how Fury Warriors have to work hard to match Rogues on the whole, and Fury is harder to play than Combat (sorry Rogues, it's true), and also note that Retadin DPS is severely gimped. I wouldn't give up my DPS to be able to tank, I'd just reroll a Warrior.
although i dnt think locks should be given a tanking ability, i do like the sound of a deamon form that increases haste and spell dmg by a certain amount, only thing is is that it will have to be in the demo tree which will suck.
I know a shadow priest who tanks 5-mans, SSC/TK trash, and is the person to round up the murlocs on Tidewalker. He's crit immune, but can't get anywhere near crush immune (no cloth will be able to with current itemization). Stacks up on as much dodge as he can and then flasks to hit 1k damage. You're forced to rely on instant-cast abilities, though, since you can't dodge while casting. He uses Shield in order to get off Mind Blast, and uses Blast/Death as his taunt.
The thing that spriests have that warlocks don't, though, is the threat output. Vampiric Embrace puts out *massive* amounts of threat, especially when tanking multiple mobs.
The thing that spriests have that warlocks don't, though, is the threat output. Vampiric Embrace puts out *massive* amounts of threat, especially when tanking multiple mobs.
I, ME, TEH LOCK, has tanked attunemen. he hits like a pansie and our healers rock. you really can't use it as a good example seeing that all REAL bosses hit rediculously hard on anything non-plate or bear form.
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If they completely redo the demo tree, itemize some cloth with +defence rating and stamina, warlock could be MT "drain-tank".
As a raiding demo-lock I have to say that I absolutely hate that idea.
Want to mess with demonology?
Fine, give us a HoT instead of the lousy health funnel!
I'd also like to see the ability to temporarily banish (and break it when you want to) your own demon to up his survivability some.
Edited, Feb 6th 2008 10:55am by pompa
do you think people would think a mortal strike for the felguard overpowered?^^
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