Being singled outFollow

yep, that's the main problem with lvl 70 pvp...most of you enemies are epicced out. You can either wait it out until you are epicced or try out resto. I'm doing BG token farming and honor farming at lvl 69 for all BGs except AV so when I ding 70, i'll have some epics to start out with.

Enhancement is generally a Bad Idea for PUG PVPing. You need to get to melee to deal damage, as a class which is fairly vulnerable to incoming damage (DW instead of 1H+Shield), and is fairly easy to kite/snare. Being melee is doubly worse because people are far more likely to react to a target that's in their face dual wielding than one tossing lightning bolts or heals from behind cover.

What I would try to make it work would be lots of cover and objective guarding. Both of these things force the encounter to at least start at fairly close range. Mounting directly on top of people will also help.

Also, if you can come into battle slightly behind a pack of allies, your opponents will be more likely to have committed themselves to killing a particular target and will therefore be slightly more likely to ignore you. At that point if the enemy goes directly for you you could potentially pull back - if they want to kill you, they will, but they'll definitely pay for it if your allies are around and quasi-competant.

If you have a friend who is a Paladin, most of your problems could potentially be solved via Blessing of Freedom. But still, being melee range is such a huge disadvantage and I've never seen Enhancement put out the DPS to feel worth that disadvantage (tbh I've never seen Enhancement beat Elemental DPS period. :X )

Edited, Feb 4th 2008 1:10pm by Axehilt

It's because you are a shaman period. Most people who have never played a shaman tend to think shamans are the most OP pvp class in the game, so they go for us even before healers a lot of the time. You die fast i know, but if you go resto you can hold off more attacks than a prot pally.

Edit : I wonder why blizzard hasn't done ANYTHING about the shaman class problems. Surely there are people who work for blizzard who play shaman. So either blizzard is retarded/lazy or they just dont care.

Edited, Feb 4th 2008 1:42pm by Draeneipally

Yes. Shaman can use Ghost Wolf to run flag.

Also, enemies will normally pick out either A) The healer -or- B) The easiest target. Shaman fit the bill on both parts. No CC + non epic gear = GY shuffle.

:)

Yeah I've considered switching to Elemental for PvP since I can't seem to stay alive long enough to get the DPS numbers to really make a difference as Enhance. At least with Elemental I can start from a distance casting Lightning Bolt or Chain Lightning and if I'm approached I can dump an EBT and backup out of range long enough to cast another lighting or shock spell.

I'm assuming Resto or Elemental have a better PvP track record than Enhancement.

Seeing as I have no epic gear just yet switching won't hurt too much gear wise.

Can anyone suggest a good Elemental build for PvP?

Edited, Feb 4th 2008 9:43pm by DDragonace

I still really <3 playing Enhancement, its a blast.

I tried Elemental a couple weeks ago but wasn't impressed with the dmg I did, so I switched back. Maybe I'll mess around with Elemental again and see if I can find a setup that I enjoy as much as Enhancement.

I'm still on the fence, so I may wait and try to upgrade to a bit of epic Enhancement gear and see if I can fair any better. If not then I'll switch and start working on my Elemental epic gear. :P

Edited, Feb 4th 2008 10:42pm by DDragonace

I have to admit, with my hunter I will target Shaman early and often. I have no fear of the class in world PvP, more especially in BG PvP. They simply can't touch me. My pet can chew them up and I can DPS them down before they can cast off CL/LB crits enough to kill me. Against Enhancement shamans I can kite them, dead, no chance. Against resto, the best they can do is run away. They can heal all they want, eventually they die as well.

You might enjoy a rogue. Similar playstyle, but significantly better ability toolset for making dual wield melee work.



This depends heavily on what type of BG it is, and whether you listened to the first part of Serevixx's post where he advises staying in the back of a pack (using visual cover helps quite a bit too).

In PUGs I can fairly frequently achieve top damage and kills when I use cover and teamwork intelligently.

("Teamwork" in this case meaning (a) I assume my teammates aren't going to work as a team at all - because they won't, but (b) I stick with the largest pack of teammates possible, heal them when appropriate, and otherwise use them to cover my LB/CL spam. Sort of like forcing your teammates to help you out, whether they want to or not ;) )

Being singled out in BGs eh... Why yes, during my time with a hardcore PVP guild 1 month ago. I was practically running guild BGs everyday, I was often the only shaman in the entire raid, guess which they'll go for first?

If not for the support from my hardcore pvp guildmates, I will be...watcha guys termed "graveyard shuffle", "GY fodder" etc etc.

I do this alot right at the start of the wsg, everyone tends to go for the middle, so i run along the side straight for flag. Happens quite alot that I don't even get damaged/deal damage and still cap the flag.

Note: This is at the 20-29 wsg, so no mounts or whatever to catch up with GW.

Rocket boots?

Anyway, I thought Druids make better flag runners, in both WSG and EOTS. They are damm fast in speed travel form.

I do like to run flags in EOTS sometimes as well.

Well thanks for the input guys, I took the advice given in the first few posts and held back a bit. I usually hang behind a large group as we advance and by the time I get to the battle line, all the opposing faction were tied up fighting other players. So I was free to dump some totems, pop a couple CH and DPS the crap outta people. I didn't have to spend near as much time trying to survive as before.

Also traveling in GW seems to make me a much less obvious target, sure I get to places slower than other people, but at least I'm not getting ganged up on by a group of people who I was simply trying to bypass in the first place.

Also I've found a good tactic in EotS when we get control of the middle, I run to the horde side of the flag area and dump an EB and Magma Totem on either side of the path behind the rocks, this way it keeps people from rushing me and my team, and it forces rogues out of stealth, its a good survival tactic if nothing else. :P



Edited, Feb 6th 2008 4:12pm by DDragonace

I always look for someone else to carry the flag in wsg. Druids are incredible, but a pally, a warrior, hunter, rogue w. sprint and evasion up, even a mage (blink, fn) can be better. In GW I may outrun everyone but a travel form druid, but if I meet anyone on the way I am screwed. I cant do anything to defend myself -- no heals, no eb, nada -- without busting out of form and then having to recast it.