All right, so obviously we're all familiar with the cookie cutter build for feral. Now, what I'm curious about is trading the points from intensity/natural shapeshifter and shredding attacks for feral aggression. With an add-on such as Rogue Focus, it's still possible to get the Pounce->Mangle->Shred opener without shredding attacks, and I don't know how useful I'd find natural shapeshifter or intensity.
Anyway, I was just wondering whether the 2 point cheaper lacerate was worth it and if shredding attacks is really important when off-DPSing on fights you aren't needed to tank. As I understand it, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, the amount of attack power reduction done by demoralizing roar effects the amount of threat it causes, does it not? And would the extra 15% damage from ferocious bite make up for not being able to shred as often?
Just wondering. Any comments are, of course, appreciated.
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It's late, so I won't go into details.
Feral Aggression is a worthless talent, if you are feral tank. you use lacerate almost constantly(should) this alone makes shredding attacks a million times better than feral aggression will ever be, even if it is maxed. I am not aware of FB being available in bear form. The bonus to atk power worth practically nothing for your threat gen.
So if you are mainly tank, the only leeway in point would be 1 from Intensity. It is up to you to decide whether it is worth it or no to drop instant 4 rage generation for 1 point in FB.
In my opinion, no.
This is my saved response for cat dps. Since typing this over again each minute a new cat dps post pops up is kinda annoying.
Agility for all gems or mix of hit/agil or sta if socket bonus is worth it or you need gem match ups for meta. Meta should always be 12agi 3% crit dmg meta. Enchants as well Agil, unless its bracer. Where you go with 12str enchant because there isn't a agil equivalent, but if this is your hybrid bracer tank/cat I'd put 4stats on it instead.
Gemming for anything else but agility will lower your comparable dps if you just went with agility.
Gemming for crit/dodge is pointless as you get almost same dodge and crit return from 1 point of agil.
Dps rotation is simple but can vary depending on OOC proc mob hp etc.
Simple one is. Mangle > shred shred till 4 or 5 points if you crit. wait till 80 90 energy, Rip > mangle immediately afterwards. Then shred back to 4 or 5. Let rip completely wear off, repeat. Doing this pretty much guarantees that your dps wont suck. If there is someone mangling for you, simple shred and shred some more and rip at 4 or 5 points and let it completely wear off.
Also there are powershifting, where you quickly reshift and gain 40 energy from furor, if you time it with energy regen tick correctly you can effectively gain more energy which obviously increases your dps.
Of course you must have points in shred talents, avoid Ferocious bite, unless you have almost exactly 35 energy or mob is almost dead and there wont be enough time. But even in this situation, in most cases it is better to just shred.
Feral Aggression is a worthless talent, if you are feral tank. you use lacerate almost constantly(should) this alone makes shredding attacks a million times better than feral aggression will ever be, even if it is maxed. I am not aware of FB being available in bear form. The bonus to atk power worth practically nothing for your threat gen.
So if you are mainly tank, the only leeway in point would be 1 from Intensity. It is up to you to decide whether it is worth it or no to drop instant 4 rage generation for 1 point in FB.
In my opinion, no.
This is my saved response for cat dps. Since typing this over again each minute a new cat dps post pops up is kinda annoying.
Agility for all gems or mix of hit/agil or sta if socket bonus is worth it or you need gem match ups for meta. Meta should always be 12agi 3% crit dmg meta. Enchants as well Agil, unless its bracer. Where you go with 12str enchant because there isn't a agil equivalent, but if this is your hybrid bracer tank/cat I'd put 4stats on it instead.
Gemming for anything else but agility will lower your comparable dps if you just went with agility.
Gemming for crit/dodge is pointless as you get almost same dodge and crit return from 1 point of agil.
Dps rotation is simple but can vary depending on OOC proc mob hp etc.
Simple one is. Mangle > shred shred till 4 or 5 points if you crit. wait till 80 90 energy, Rip > mangle immediately afterwards. Then shred back to 4 or 5. Let rip completely wear off, repeat. Doing this pretty much guarantees that your dps wont suck. If there is someone mangling for you, simple shred and shred some more and rip at 4 or 5 points and let it completely wear off.
Also there are powershifting, where you quickly reshift and gain 40 energy from furor, if you time it with energy regen tick correctly you can effectively gain more energy which obviously increases your dps.
Of course you must have points in shred talents, avoid Ferocious bite, unless you have almost exactly 35 energy or mob is almost dead and there wont be enough time. But even in this situation, in most cases it is better to just shred.
Vaeliorin wrote:
And would the extra 15% damage from ferocious bite make up for not being able to shred as often?
No. I mean really, no. Shred is bread and butter for you in kitty form. Especially if you're grouped up and not the one tanking the mob, in which case shredding it (and keeping up mangle) is your entire job. I can't really speak to whether this would be worth it for bear form (though I suspect not), but you're just trashing your cat form if you do this.
IMO, YMMV, and all that, of course. :)
Yeah, I've had to sort out some of the druids in my guild who didn't have shredding attacks. It is pretty close to our 2nd most important talent for cat DPS (after mangle).
The point of it is not to get to get 2 shreds in after a pounce, it is to use more shreds, more often in boss fights. Shred is the main attack you use. Rip is the finishing move you will use most of the time while raiding. It is still uncertain whether FB is worth using even on bleed immune mobs. If you have much more than the 35 energy for a FB then that wnergy is wasted and you would have been better of shredding instead. For simplicity, you would lose a very small amount of DPS just keeping mangle up and shredding continuously vs. bleed immune mobs and not using a finisher at all!
The point of it is not to get to get 2 shreds in after a pounce, it is to use more shreds, more often in boss fights. Shred is the main attack you use. Rip is the finishing move you will use most of the time while raiding. It is still uncertain whether FB is worth using even on bleed immune mobs. If you have much more than the 35 energy for a FB then that wnergy is wasted and you would have been better of shredding instead. For simplicity, you would lose a very small amount of DPS just keeping mangle up and shredding continuously vs. bleed immune mobs and not using a finisher at all!
Hmm. All right. My feral druid is only 54, so I don't have lacerate yet and I was just curious. I'll stick with the shredding attacks then.
Maybe in WotLK they'll give us a finishing move that's worthwhile using on bleed-immune bosses. That would be nice, I suppose. I'd say something like slice and dice, but we already attack so fast in kitty form that that's probably not likely.
Oh well. Thanks all for the help.
Maybe in WotLK they'll give us a finishing move that's worthwhile using on bleed-immune bosses. That would be nice, I suppose. I'd say something like slice and dice, but we already attack so fast in kitty form that that's probably not likely.
Oh well. Thanks all for the help.
They should just remove the Execute mimic of Ferocious Bite. Draining all our energy when used is nice for those insane crits, but I'd honestly rather have a direct damage finisher that didn't consume all my energy when used.
I often use Maim instead of Ferocious Bite in PvP and solo PvE, simply because I hate running out of energy after Ferocious Bite.
I often use Maim instead of Ferocious Bite in PvP and solo PvE, simply because I hate running out of energy after Ferocious Bite.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
ya, i cant wait to get maim on my new druid. FB is nice compared to nothing, but maim is just better. its damage and a shred setup rolled into one.
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