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#1 Feb 03 2008 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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In advance, I'd like to apologize if this is listed elsewhere, Ive read half this forum and cant find it for the life of me. (Yes i read the Pally FAQ)

I have seen and I think I understand the difference between Ret and Prot for the purposes of leveling, and I have need of some advice. Specifically dealing with the prot style "collect mass mobs and make them throw themselves against your shield spike while you get a sandwich" vs the ret's ability to actually deal dps (which I havn't seen yet, but I'm currently low level and dunno how to spec, hence this post).

Can someone please tell me what kind of specs you would use for each? I would like to try both styles of play in order to gain a better understanding of my new class and also to of course level faster.

If no one is able to post some info about the 2 builds, and just in case I truly have missed the boat, even something as simple as a link to a paladin version of a post listing all of the "useless talents to avoid" would be nice...

Thanks.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2008 11:44am by voydangel
#2 Feb 03 2008 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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First off, so there are no illusions, quoted from the FAQ

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A Paladin, unfortunately is not known very well for doing damage. Many who roll a Paladin will disagree with me at the beginning, as a Paladin pre-50 can and will do damage to rival that of other DPS classes. However, damage plateaus around 50 with very little boost at end-game.


I've only ever play prot. Started and lvled prot. That be said, here is a prot build for aoe tanking.

Reckoning being the key one here. Holy Shield too. It allows you to refresh and recharge faster with mulit mob pulls(Reckoning)and add more damage to when they hit you(Holy Shield).

For tanking instances and such see my pally.

I think that my build also works well for aoe grinding as I've really had no problems since I've ditched Reckoning. But try it as you build up. I hate casters as they stay put where as other mobs follow me around to hit me.

You'll get it.

#3 Feb 03 2008 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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voydangel wrote:
Specifically dealing with the prot style "collect mass mobs and make them throw themselves against your shield spike while you get a sandwich" vs the ret's ability to actually deal dps (which I havn't seen yet, but I'm currently low level and dunno how to spec, hence this post).

Can someone please tell me what kind of specs you would use for each? I would like to try both styles of play in order to gain a better understanding of my new class and also to of course level faster.

I think there's a question in there somewhere, but I'm not exactly sure what it is. You understand that Prot is for AoE grinding and Ret is for single-target DPS, but you're not clear on... what, exactly? I'm not even trying to be snarky here (for once), I'm just trying to understand your question.
#4 Feb 06 2008 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, sorry if i didn't make my delimma clear.

What I am looking for are:

1. A link to a leveling prot build.
2. A link to a leveling Ret build.
3. A list of what talents to AVOID in all 3 trees, just for reference.
4. A list of "must have" talents in all 3 trees, just for (future) reference.

I hope this makes my needs a little more clear.

I read through the Pally 101 guide, and he does an awesome job, but his section on talent builds is all for endgame only. I need a "leveling build". =)

Thanks in advance for any insights people will undoubtedly have.

Cheers
#5 Feb 06 2008 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
my guide covers what to take and what not to take in holy
#6 Feb 06 2008 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.wowwiki.com/Paladin_builds

Should help, since you are 33 you almost have the aoe talents to allow you to try both, reckoning is fully filled at 35 and your basis for the AOE grind and prot in general until you get to end game and decide what you want to do.

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my guide covers what to take and what not to take in holy


lol
#7 Feb 06 2008 at 7:10 PM Rating: Good
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Here is a link for Prot and Ret builds for your level. The talents to avoid are the ones I left out. You'll figure out why as you gain experience.

Hope this helps... I would add some advice but I'm short on time...
#8 Feb 06 2008 at 7:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Here is a link for Prot and Ret builds for your level.


Ret build looks good, only thing with the prot I would forgo the concentration aura as you will primarily always have ret aura up, and blessing of kings is a filler talent towards the end, to me at least, as you will be using blessing of sanctuary mostly. Is great to have the buff for grouping and such, but I think right now to level, the points could be better spent in reckoning and grab that later on down the line.

To OP, the link I provided gives you a detailed breakdown on pretty much everything and how each one works, so you can decide based on your playstyle as I doubt we can keep coming back to provide the next talent, and the next and the next.

If you do go ret, once you get the talents to sanc aura and seal of command I would take divine intellect and spiritual focus in the holy tree, helps if things get out of hand and you can heal with almost no interrupt with a couple mobs hitting on you, which is probably why the other poster added conc aura, and the extra intellect will help in terms of your judgements and avoiding OOM issues which the ret tree can consumer quite a bit.
#9 Feb 07 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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You might be interested in perusing a thread from last month helpfully entitled "Talents to Avoid."

http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=2;mid=1199225539229237521;num=59;page=1

I had the same confusion about leveling builds when I started and it took a little while to realize that if you're leveling Prot (or Holy!!), you really just want to go down the tree as fast as possible. The marginal benefit from the higher level talents greatly outweighs the added value of the early tiers.

If you go down the Ret tree however, there's a point where you want/need to divert to the Holy tree to grab Divine Intellect and Spiritual Focus (I'll defer to others entirely on where that point is).
#10 Feb 07 2008 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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You might be interested in perusing a thread from last month helpfully entitled "Talents to Avoid."


Rate up as I remember that discussion and a good one.

I think the wiki links I provided might detail that as well, not entirely certain
#11 Feb 07 2008 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
spicyoctopusroll wrote:
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my guide covers what to take and what not to take in holy


lol


what?
#12 Feb 07 2008 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Great guys. Thx alot, those were all very helpful.

Specifically:

thx for the wowwiki link, i found the info there most helpful, ironically, i had found it just before checking for responses here... but very helpful none the less.

And an "es-specialle" thx to the link to the talents to avoid post, if i knew how ro rate up stuff, i would give both you and some of the posters in that thread all the points I could. =)

Cheers

Edited, Feb 7th 2008 1:06pm by voydangel
#13 Feb 07 2008 at 5:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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spicyoctopusroll wrote:
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my guide covers what to take and what not to take in holy


lol


what?


Sry should have clarified, I loled cause it was, to me, like you were being excluded or your guide I should say and the OP didnt even mention it and you brought that up as I have seen some of your ret threads and such, wasnt LOL at you, but with you sort of...make any sense?
#14 Feb 07 2008 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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In advance, I'd like to apologize if this is listed elsewhere, Ive read half this forum and cant find it for the life of me. (Yes i read the Pally FAQ)

I did mention it. And the reason I still had these questions is because, as absolutely wonderful and helpful as that FAQ is, it doesn't mention "leveling builds" as far as I can see. It goes into great detail about "end game builds" and has a nice little "what other talents are there?" section. But it fails to talk about builds specifically for leveling. And often, the case is that talent points are spent differently while leveling than when you hit 70 - hence my inquiry.

Regardless, I'd still like to thank everyone (including the poster of the pally FAQ) for their help and input, such as it was.
#15 Feb 07 2008 at 8:51 PM Rating: Decent
lol. take and end game build and work way down the tree now you have your lvling build. deside if you want to do prot or ret or holy.

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Sry should have clarified, I loled cause it was, to me, like you were being excluded or your guide I should say and the OP didnt even mention it and you brought that up as I have seen some of your ret threads and such, wasnt LOL at you, but with you sort of...make any sense?


sorta lost on that one.lol. no the op didnt mention his stickied holy part just the faq stickie. but the op brought up holy so dilbrt's first reply only makes sence


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3. A list of what talents to AVOID in all 3 trees, just for reference.
4. A list of "must have" talents in all 3 trees, just for (future) reference.


dilbrt
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my guide covers what to take and what not to take in holy


unless i'm just miss understanding what your saying.

Edited, Feb 7th 2008 11:52pm by punkspider
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