Atm I'm looking at the different epics available for PvE feral druids end-game, and it's really hard to tell on some gear whether it's designed for cat or bear form. I can pretty much tell if it's got +def it's definitely a bear piece, but the subtle things (such as a piece of gear with normal armor, agility, crit rating, and high stamina) could be good in either form.
What distinguishing features are there for bear and cat gear?
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to put it simply. high armor, high stamina and relatively ok agi/str is good for bear. (in addition to + def/dodoge/reslience)
for kitty you look at str, agi and ignore the rest. (except + hit, + crit + ap) for most high end you can't tell when it's slated for druid gear. it'll generally work for both. however the general rule of thumb is look at the armor rating on the item. if it's a low armor rating with high stats, it;s generally for kitty form
if it's a high armor rating it's generally for bear form.
for kitty you look at str, agi and ignore the rest. (except + hit, + crit + ap) for most high end you can't tell when it's slated for druid gear. it'll generally work for both. however the general rule of thumb is look at the armor rating on the item. if it's a low armor rating with high stats, it;s generally for kitty form
if it's a high armor rating it's generally for bear form.
Skribs, many pieces can crossover between the 2, at least until you find upgrades. I see nothing wrong with that.
Moreover, sometimes cat gear may replace bear gear for tanking and vice versa.
Edit: Meaning you can increase your threat generation in tanking gear with replacements from DPS gear, or increase your longevity in DPS gear with replacements from tanking gear.
As an example, if you just replaced 1 piece of gear and now over the cap for crit immunity, you can switch another piece off to get extra armor/stamina/agility/whatnot.
For this example though, one better keep in mind that high reductions in defense rating equal to noticeable reductions in dodge/being missed chances which means that a little of a stat that is obvious tanking stat ain't always better than alot of defense, mitigation wise.
It's probably a matter of opinion though. To each his own liking.
Have a nice day.
Edited, Feb 3rd 2008 4:28am by YuvalR
Moreover, sometimes cat gear may replace bear gear for tanking and vice versa.
Edit: Meaning you can increase your threat generation in tanking gear with replacements from DPS gear, or increase your longevity in DPS gear with replacements from tanking gear.
As an example, if you just replaced 1 piece of gear and now over the cap for crit immunity, you can switch another piece off to get extra armor/stamina/agility/whatnot.
For this example though, one better keep in mind that high reductions in defense rating equal to noticeable reductions in dodge/being missed chances which means that a little of a stat that is obvious tanking stat ain't always better than alot of defense, mitigation wise.
It's probably a matter of opinion though. To each his own liking.
Have a nice day.
Edited, Feb 3rd 2008 4:28am by YuvalR
Bear gear = armor, stamina, agility, defense
Cat gear = agility, hit rating, strength, attack power, crit rating
Pretty much in that order of importance.
Cat gear = agility, hit rating, strength, attack power, crit rating
Pretty much in that order of importance.
Esoa wrote:
Bear gear = armor, stamina, agility, defense
Cat gear = agility, hit rating, strength, attack power, crit rating
Pretty much in that order of importance.
Cat gear = agility, hit rating, strength, attack power, crit rating
Pretty much in that order of importance.
Bears can use resilience instead of defense.
Your cat gear list is off. Agility is only more important than strength once a certain level of attack power in relation to crit chance is met. If it is not met, strength is more important.
http://druid.wikispaces.com/ToskksDPSGearMethod
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Bears can use resilience instead of defense.
This is why I loved dinging on my Druid to 70 so much. I equipped S1 gear that I've easily attained + Heavy Clefthoof and I was set and ready to OT Kara!
Good times...
UnkemptSuperman, Immortal Lion wrote:
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Bears can use resilience instead of defense.
This is why I loved dinging on my Druid to 70 so much. I equipped S1 gear that I've easily attained + Heavy Clefthoof and I was set and ready to OT Kara!
Good times...
Same here. Check out my Druid, I've only been 70 a couple of weeks (I'm in tank gear atm):
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kargath&n=Oreb
I'm actually getting ready to replace my clefthoof chest with the badge reward one. I'll drop in stam and defense, but I'll gain a ton of armor and agility which I'd rather have. Just need 37 more badges, and with 20 or so from Kara tomorrow (hopefully) it won't take me that long to save them up.
Lorimath wrote:
Esoa wrote:
Bear gear = armor, stamina, agility, defense
Cat gear = agility, hit rating, strength, attack power, crit rating
Pretty much in that order of importance.
Cat gear = agility, hit rating, strength, attack power, crit rating
Pretty much in that order of importance.
Bears can use resilience instead of defense.
Your cat gear list is off. Agility is only more important than strength once a certain level of attack power in relation to crit chance is met. If it is not met, strength is more important.
http://druid.wikispaces.com/ToskksDPSGearMethod
The toskk method you linked, if you look at the graph. Agil is pretty much always better than str at this point.
For example, according to graph. You'd need 1500ap and 33% crit for str to be equal of Agility for dps. In TBC it would be practically impossible to reach so high of a crit while having only 1500AP. If you look further up or down the graph. It just confirms that Agil is always better than str to enchant or gem for in current TBC itemization.
Just to give an example, my unbuffed cat stats at 2710AP and 38% crit. So I would need to have only 1700AP at my current crit for str to be equal value of agility. :)
Edited, Feb 3rd 2008 6:10pm by Elustriel
Elustriel wrote:
Lorimath wrote:
Esoa wrote:
Bear gear = armor, stamina, agility, defense
Cat gear = agility, hit rating, strength, attack power, crit rating
Pretty much in that order of importance.
Cat gear = agility, hit rating, strength, attack power, crit rating
Pretty much in that order of importance.
Bears can use resilience instead of defense.
Your cat gear list is off. Agility is only more important than strength once a certain level of attack power in relation to crit chance is met. If it is not met, strength is more important.
http://druid.wikispaces.com/ToskksDPSGearMethod
The toskk method you linked, if you look at the graph. Agil is pretty much always better than str at this point.
For example, according to graph. You'd need 1500ap and 33% crit for str to be equal of Agility for dps. In TBC it would be practically impossible to reach so high of a crit while having only 1500AP. If you look further up or down the graph. It just confirms that Agil is always better than str to enchant or gem for in current TBC itemization.
Just to give an example, my unbuffed cat stats at 2710AP and 38% crit. So I would need to have only 1700AP at my current crit for str to be equal value of agility. :)
Edited, Feb 3rd 2008 6:10pm by Elustriel
Ah, that's true. I have over 2400 AP in cat form and 33% crit, so I suppose Agi is better for me as well. Then again, I'm not too concerned with my kitty set. I'm a tank!
Anything that's got extra armor or Def/Resil is good for bear tanking. Once you get crit-immunity, look for pieces with either extra armor or really high Stam/Agil. The armor cap is 35,880 (75% damage reduction vs level 73 mobs), I try to get as close to that as possible while keeping my dodge% and stam high.
Yeah in cat form I got 25.42% crit, and 1407 AP. I could go up 5% crit, and still be fine if I got 0 AP out of it.
I know it's low, but I'm level 64.
I know it's low, but I'm level 64.
Point for point, Agi is better than Str except in really extreme cases (in which case you have already made some strange gear choices. Emmerald values Agi at 2.4 AP and Str at 2 AP for lower levels of gear. At higher levels it is Agi = 2.86 AP and Str = 2.26 AP (partly because the High gear list includes BoK)
i would have to agree, agli is the best stat for cats as it increases your AP and crit chance which will over all increase your DPS as you still got alot of AP but a higher chance of criting aswell as it increase dodge %
atmo im in pre kara gear as i just hit 70 and ive got 1800 AP and 29% crit this is using the priority of agli,crit, str, sta, AP,
atmo im in pre kara gear as i just hit 70 and ive got 1800 AP and 29% crit this is using the priority of agli,crit, str, sta, AP,
Plainwalker wrote:
atmo im in pre kara gear as i just hit 70 and ive got 1800 AP and 29% crit this is using the priority of agli,crit, str, sta, AP,
IMO, you have to work on your AP. I'm at 68 and have 1851 AP in kitty form. In pre kara gear you should have, roughly, 2600 AP, if I'm not mistaken.
Resilience is a good alternative to defense and even more so with ezmode PvP epics. Actually there's no real reason to go to Kara in the first place if you're willing to do the PvP anyway. It's like gathering TBC gear to go run MC/BWL.
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