Question about demons?Follow

There are no "lower level" demons.
Each one of them have their use in certain situations.

FTFY. I use my VW all the time while I'm grinding or farming on my 70 warlock. The only time the big blue blob isn't out is if I'm in a group. Felguard's great, for sure, but I just can't seem to keep him alive in an instance, so I changed over to Affliction.


QFT. Imp's great in parties due to his Blood Pact buff, and for Affliction warlocks with Dark Pact, an imp in passive with Phase Shift makes a great mana battery. The VW is your best tanking pet, and can be a lifesaver if you get swarmed thanks to the Sacrifice shield. The Succubus is the second-most useful pet in groups, thanks to her Seduce crowd-control ability, and she puts out decent DPS on her own, too. The Felhunter is used a LOT in PvP, since a well-timed Brain Lock can be devastating to a caster; he'll see use in PvE against casting mobs as well.

IMO, the only really useless demons are the Infernal and the Doomguard. Both break free after a time, and the Doomguard is a huge pain to summon in the first place (get lucky with a Curse of Doom, or sacrifice a random party member with the Ritual of Doom and risk dying yourself and being unable to enslave the incoming, and rather angry, demon).

Again, the pets aren't arranged in "levels." They're just spread out so a player gets some time to get used to how they work, and they are received more-or-less in order of complexity of use (as in, the imp and VW are really simple to use, while the Felhunter is a bit trickier). By the time you get the Felhunter, you should have a pretty good idea how to play the warlock class, and should have at least some idea of what situation each demon's useful in.

Yeah, felguard is not made to take as many hits as the voidwalker, so the latter is more useful for endurance fights. I use both of them, and I dont think either is better, just that each one is better for some situations than the other.
I like to sacrifice a voidwalker during boss fights where I know that the healer is going to be very busy, and we might wipe if one of us dies to early. For example, the Vorpil fight in Shadow Labyrinth and the Botanist from Tempest Keep, are good voidwalker situations.

Imp is not useful for soloing, if you are Demonology. I use mine in parties when I do not wish to pull agro, or when I am unsure which minion is best to use-- he gives me the most +damage, so I can not go wrong with that.
If you are going with Demonology, then you will find a use for all of your minins, and some may be more useful than others.

I try to keep a felhunter out in arenas, but sometimes it will just die (warrior, bloodlust, windfury crits, with a rogue on you, healers can't keep up and felhuntards have no resil).

If the enemy is dangerous enough to burst my felhunter down once like that, I'll summon a void for the SL, desperate shield, and the fact they are hard as hell for a melee to kill. A healer can generally always keep it up.

Now you lose alot, spell lock, devour, but a dead felhunter can't do that either, and you only get 1 fel dom thats practically instant. I hate to give up spell lock but sometimes you don't have much choice, and at least you get SL back and extra protection against melee teams. At this point you have to win the mana war, because you can't spell lock heals anymore.

For grinding, I never bother but my gears good enough that I don't mind 3-4 mobs slapping on me.

Imp was my default pet until I got succy. I draintanked my way to where my lock is now. Didn't see any point in using my VW, because he couldn't hold aggro and I could kill stuff faster with draintanking. The only time since then that I've seriously considered using a VW is on fear-immune elites that are chained so they can't be kited.
And VW in farming/grinding/whatever... yea, that usually means a free kill to me.

As for frailty... each has their weakness. A warlock really isn't all that great against someone who is smart with dispels - I chew through solo SL/SL locks because everything at their disposal is dispellable, all I have to do is make sure that their DoT's and drains stay off me, fel armor and shadow prot stay off them, and that I don't wait to long to heal. Against someone who can't dispel, however, warlocks are the toughest clothies to deal with between Soul Link, Siphon, pet, and Drain Life. Frost mages are my bane because they have so much interruption potential - 10-second lockout with the mage and elemental both hitting me.

I never find shadow priests a big problem, then again I have 12k hp and 395 resil. Blackout stuns are annoying, but generally make them spam dispell and bubble, keep mana drains going, get the occasional fear off and keep deathcoil in your back pocket.

Unless you're talking disc spec, but even then geared warlocks shouldn't be losing to geared disc priests, even if they know where their dispell button is.

Yes, 30/21/10.
After leveling affliction I simply cant stand full aff anymore. I used to be full demo for very long but I got tired of pets to be honest. And seeing every freshly dinged 70 lock on my server running around with felguard and maybe 2% of them actually knowing how to control it didnt help.

I still have same hotkeys for pets on my hunter and on my lock, W for petattack, so now when I use the pet on lock I press W - Q automatically, only on lock Q is CoS and not autoshot >.<

I tried destro after demo, for fun only, I knew well enough my crit is not near what it should be. It was nice seeing 6-7k SB crits, but I fel almost like I was my own succy when I tried to farm shards - fragile and not very capable.

So since I am still in T4 content, my gear is still affliction oriented, I dont care to drag any pets if I really dont have to and I still like to be able to nuke something more or less decent. Besides I dont like to depend on our MT every time I want to go out farm shards (not that he minds but still).
Therefore 30/21/10 seems perfect for me right now.

I might respec sometime again, probably will because I get bored with same spec easily and I tend to respec at least once a month, but for now 30/21/10 makes me happy :)

Voidwalker out = a Nasty SL/SL setup with ALOT of steam and a Sac ready to use.

While VW SL/SL is beatable as deep affliction, I find it to be one of the most irritating enemies to take on -- worse than Pallies and Druids.

I don't know wtf most of you guys are talking about.

I know this. I am still pretty low so this may change later but my imp sure dies quickly due to not having much health. You know at this stage my equipment is pretty good for my level but certainly not to be considered twink equipment since it is either quested equip or tailored by me. I do not have the funds to do the AH thing. I am not too far from 20 so the next demon will be soon. I am looking forward to what skills this one will have.

Since you don't use it all the time, then the imp becomes obsolete in some conditions. So soes the Succubus, Felhunter, and Felguard. Trying to defend his statement is as stupid as the original statement was.

I used felguard while I was demo. I use imp, succy and felhunter still.
The only pet I never actually used for anything but saccing is VW - since level 64.

You can call me stupid and elitist demo-specced wannabee once again, but I am telling you for some specs and in some content VW IS totally obsolete. Whether you like it or not.

I've seen people blow their FD just to switch out from Succy or Puppy TO Voidwalker.

There is no pet that will last quite like the Voidwalker in a SL/SL build - he is by far your best shot for survivability.

Obviously there are builds that he does not cater to, but as Deep fliction myself I can't remember the last time I really used a Puppy... and I hate using Succy but sometimes I gotta.

The quote about a Lock with Voidwalker out being an Easy HK is crazy to me, though - unless they're NOT SL/SL in which case I agree to the fact that they are dumb.