Okay, I might know your answer to this question, but really, its not that simple.
What pet has the highest dps? It seems that pages as petopia doesnt give a clear answer, so hope you guys can :)
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Whichever one looks best beside your character. Oh wait, DPS? It really doesn't matter, its Ravager>Cat>Raptor, and if you have the enormous amount of crit for it, then a WS.
If you know about petopia than you obviously know enough about this subject to go there. Also, if you had the time and patience to go there you should have had the time and patience to search more than the first page of this forum.
Read the Sticky, go BACK to petopia because there is a section there that has a section that compares all pet families and tells you, even with color coded differences, which pet has the highest DPS.
And for all you Boar Crusaders out there.... GET A BOAR!!!! (or a cat, they're better =D)
Read the Sticky, go BACK to petopia because there is a section there that has a section that compares all pet families and tells you, even with color coded differences, which pet has the highest DPS.
And for all you Boar Crusaders out there.... GET A BOAR!!!! (or a cat, they're better =D)
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Thats inhumane, and would be painfully slow to watch. Who would even bet on turtle races anyways?
I' waiting for the day that we can tame feral druids :P
If the hunter in UB can, why not us?
If the hunter in UB can, why not us?
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Posted: Feb 01 2008 at 3:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You used to be able to tame Shaman's while they were in Ghost Wolf form. Blizzard even announced that they wholely accepted this practice and praised us for our ingenuity. Then they had a secret meeting and after many kitten and puppy sacrifices their heathanistic Gods deemed this ability unworthy of our class and forced them to immediately hotfix it.
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Umm...I thought that the ghost wolves were summoned BY the shamans, but were not shamans themselves.
Though taming a shaman as a pet might be handy... lol
Though taming a shaman as a pet might be handy... lol
Yuppley wrote:
Ravager>Cat>Raptor, and if you have the enormous amount of crit for it, then a WS.
Cats = Raptors in terms of DPS. Cats have a tiny bit of edge over raptors in diet and the fact that cats can learn Prowl... but if you teach a cat prowl, it you miss out on either growl, bite, claw or dash.
Windserpents are nice, but they have slightly lower base DPS than Ravagers, Cats and Raptors; however, you don't need any higher crit for them than you need for any other pet with a focus dump.
But, yeah... In the end, Ravagers have the highest DPS.
Edited, Feb 1st 2008 9:52pm by ProjectMidnight
ProjectMidnight wrote:
Windserpents are nice, but they have slightly lower base DPS than Ravagers, Cats and Raptors; however, you don't need any higher crit for them than you need for any other pet with a focus dump.
But, yeah... In the end, Ravagers have the highest DPS.
But, yeah... In the end, Ravagers have the highest DPS.
He was probably referring to GftT. Since the WS focus dump is much more expensive than either of the cats' or ravagers', it's safe to say that WS's scale better with your crit rate if you've got GftT.
You'd need an isane amount of crits/focusregen for WS to get better then ravagers.
namely so much that a ravager cant use all its focus.
And in 30 seconds it uses 3 x bite and 17 x gore so 530 focus, or 17.66 focus per second.
A WS uses 20 LB's in 30 seconds so 1000 Focus or 33.33 focus per second.
now someone else can calculate how much crits you'd need for that, what crit% that would be and wether the WS would actually deal more dmg then.
namely so much that a ravager cant use all its focus.
And in 30 seconds it uses 3 x bite and 17 x gore so 530 focus, or 17.66 focus per second.
A WS uses 20 LB's in 30 seconds so 1000 Focus or 33.33 focus per second.
now someone else can calculate how much crits you'd need for that, what crit% that would be and wether the WS would actually deal more dmg then.
Aethien wrote:
You'd need an isane amount of crits/focusregen for WS to get better then ravagers.
namely so much that a ravager cant use all its focus.
And in 30 seconds it uses 3 x bite and 17 x gore so 530 focus, or 17.66 focus per second.
A WS uses 20 LB's in 30 seconds so 1000 Focus or 33.33 focus per second.
now someone else can calculate how much crits you'd need for that, what crit% that would be and wether the WS would actually deal more dmg then.
namely so much that a ravager cant use all its focus.
And in 30 seconds it uses 3 x bite and 17 x gore so 530 focus, or 17.66 focus per second.
A WS uses 20 LB's in 30 seconds so 1000 Focus or 33.33 focus per second.
now someone else can calculate how much crits you'd need for that, what crit% that would be and wether the WS would actually deal more dmg then.
A WS also has Bite, and you SHOULD have it active. LB is 2.12 DPF, Bite is 2.4. Now, of course you only need 112 AP for them to be on the same level.
So, you have a base focus regen of 25 every 4 sec. With Bestial Discipline, that's 50 Focus every 4 sec, or 12.5 FPS. Assuming you've got a 2.8 speed weapon, a +15 haste quiver and Serpent's Swiftness, you'll have an effective attack speed of 2.03. Seeing as this is enough to fit in a Steady Shot in between every auto shot, we're going to assume that. So, that's two attacks every 2.03 sec.
You need 5.16 more FPS (or slightly more than that... like 5.2) for Ravagers to not being able to dump all their focus. So, with 50 focus every crit and an effective shot timer of around 1 sec (less if you factor in Multi-Shot and Arcane Shot), you only need a 9.6% crit rate to reach that.
----- Checking math! -----
In 30 seconds you're able to use 14 Auto Shots and 14 Steady Shots (as well as 3 Multi-Shots and 5 Arcane Shots). Counting Multi- and Arcane Shot as well we're landing at 36 shots every 30 sec (or 72 Shots/min). Now, if 9.6% of those are crits, you'll get approx 3 crits in 30 sec. So, your focus regen is 50 per 4 sec, meaning 375 focus in 30 sec. Add the extra 150 from critting: 17.5 FPS.
----- Stop checking math! -----
A Ravager which can go all out on its damage abilities will do 1609.5 damage without crit multiplyer. 1931.4 with, since I believe they have a 20% crit rate with Ferocity. So, 1931.4 damage, plus regular melee, over 30 sec... That's 64.38 DPS from abilities only.
A Windserpent which has a 17.5 FPS rate will get 525 Focus over 30 sec. That allows them to cast 10.5 LB's (I'm counting the half LB because it matters in fights that last > 1 min). Now, Ravager abilities do not scale with you AP... WS ones do though. We're going to assume a 1.5k AP pool, nothing too fancy, yet thinkable for a new kara raider. This makes the LB's hit for 293.5.
----- Realization! -----
I've never played a caster class seriously... but I looked up how +spell damage scales with abilities, and found out that instants only get ~43% coefficient... (This of course phucks up my math on the first paragraph... I can't really be ***** changing it atm. I'll get the rest right!)
----- Realization ends! -----
This makes 10.5 LB's of 106 base damage and 125.7941 spell damage bonus (231.8 total) hit for 2433.8381 damage over 30 sec. That's ~81 DPS from abilities only...
Which by the looks of it, makes WS's a better DPS-pet option. Of course, there are some pathing errors that make WS DPS go down a bit... When/If they're fixed though... WS seems like a solid raiding pet, unless anyone proves my math wrong.
----- Realization! -----
I didn't crit multiply LB... But I'm not sure whether to use regular pet crit or some sort of hidden spell crit.
----- Realization ends! -----
Erm... that's it. What do you other elitists think of this?
I realized two lines in that I didn't care. sorry.
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If it helps at all, here are the LB stats for my Wind Serpent on an Illhoof fight where he was just on Illhoof the entire fight:
Wind Serpent: Lightning Breath (Nature) &ab=87 4 621 2 % 16 57 % 200 278 16 57 % 200 278 5 17 % 281 325 7 25.0 % 7 25 %
Landed Norm Dot Crit Glanc Crush All Miss Miss Resist Block Parry Dodge
Nb 16 16 5 7 7
% 57 % 57 % 17 % 25.0 % 25 %
Avg 200 200 281
Max 278 278 325
Partial resist nb hit% amount%
Partial block nb hit% amount%
Mitigation%
Note that 25% of the LB were misses.
In the same fight his melee miss %s were:
Melee: 10.9
KC: 11.5
Bite: 14.2
That's with 2/2 Animal Handler.
Edited, Feb 4th 2008 7:19am by Kompera
Wind Serpent: Lightning Breath (Nature) &ab=87 4 621 2 % 16 57 % 200 278 16 57 % 200 278 5 17 % 281 325 7 25.0 % 7 25 %
Landed Norm Dot Crit Glanc Crush All Miss Miss Resist Block Parry Dodge
Nb 16 16 5 7 7
% 57 % 57 % 17 % 25.0 % 25 %
Avg 200 200 281
Max 278 278 325
Partial resist nb hit% amount%
Partial block nb hit% amount%
Mitigation%
Note that 25% of the LB were misses.
In the same fight his melee miss %s were:
Melee: 10.9
KC: 11.5
Bite: 14.2
That's with 2/2 Animal Handler.
Edited, Feb 4th 2008 7:19am by Kompera
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