2.4 info - dispel resistFollow

Looks like there's gonna be some Shaman dispel resistance now, was just released as part of the 2.4 patch info.

30% after 3 points in the Healing Grace talent (the one that reduces your healing threat).

Strange that they add a much needed pvp buff to a never used in pvp talent.

Can't complain I guess.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4311202681&sid=1

thoughts?

fixed

Shamanistic Rage.

Also, Earth Shield seriously needs dispel resistance. Lightning Shield and Water Shield are often treated like other buffs-- Earth Shield is regarded more as an active ability.

Healing Way
Heroism/Bloodlust
Gift of the Naaru ? (fat chance but maybe)

And on the reverse, maybe it also means dispelling some of our offensive spells like

Frost Shock
Flame Shock
Earthbind


Guess we'll find out what happens

There could not have been a more pointless buff to Shaman. We don't need general dispell resistance. I mean, honestly... Healing Way? Who dispells healing way? The only spells we have that people purposefully target to dispell are Shamanistic Rage, Earth Shield, and Heroism. Most people don't even care if you throw up Water or Lightning Shield.

This "buff" is ridiculous. 30% dispell resistance doesn't solve anything, and even if it was applicable on a general scale, it's abysmal in terms of effectiveness.

Earth Shield and Shamanistic Rage both deserve at least 50% dispell resistance, something closer to 66% is what I would call fair. Heroism doesn't need any dispell resistance... it's an incredibly powerful tool, and thus should be able to be stolen or dispelled as a manner of dealing with it and keeping it balanced.

EDIT: If they want to give us general dispell resistance, then let's get really general with it. Make the talent also give our totems a 30% chance to completely ignore damage (and thus survive) when attacked. That's where most of our real buffs are anyways and where we suffer the vast majority of our "dispells".

Edited, Feb 2nd 2008 3:56am by Gaudion

think of it like this gaudion; its a 30% chance that a vital talent wont get dispelled as part of some braindead hunters shot rotation macro.

did i mention that the arcane shot change REALLY didnt need to happen?

that line was meant as a joke, because the very idea that a main damage ability that every member of a class uses as often as possible has a dispel attached to it is just stupid. i had no problem with the deadzone change or the aimed shot change, but the arcane shot change just makes me /boggle.

purge and dispel may be spammable, but they dont crit for over 1k, and while spell steal can be a ***** at times, it at least costs the mage a pretty significant hunk of mana.

As far as I'm concerned, even worse than 30% being all but worthless, is the fact that it's attached to a talent that no one except a PvE healer would even consider taking. Seriously, I don't have the points as enhancement to dump into some talent that's going to lower my healing threat, even if it is going to give me a whopping 30% dispel resist.

following precedent, itll tack onto it.

and for the record, 30% is more than it seems. rogues have a talented 30% resistance to poison dispel, and while that is "only" a 3 in 10 chance of resisting dispel, each resist puts the dispeller in a tighter and tighter situation.

adapted to shaman, sure, another shaman can purge spam until your earth shield is gone, but how much mana did he just dump to blow it? 400+? 600+? more than that, how many GCD's did he just waste purging it that could have been spent healing or dpsing or dropping totems?

it doesnt seem like a lot, but every little bit helps. i was talking to a friend of mine on vent the day he hit 2000+ with his warrior and got shoulders. his druid partner in 2v2 stacked every gem slot with +12 stamina. i listened in on their last fight before they hit 2k, and there was more than one instance where his druid partner survived with less than 1% hp left, and less than 120 hp on one occasion. people often say "will another 120 life REALLY make that much of a difference?" and the answer is, yeah, it will.

just like 30% will make that much of a difference. when you force the enemy priest to waste dispel on you three times because your shield just doesnt go down, youve wasted precious time and mana that could have been spent mana burning or healing or dpsing. that may be enough to give your team an edge.

arcane shot, however, is still bs.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2008 2:21am by Quor

thats the whole point tho; they dont want people to think about NOT dispelling them. the whole point of dispel is to rob your opponent of buffs (or remove negative ones from yourself in some cases). the dispel resistance is no different from the iron will talent that gives another 15% resistance to stun/charm for warriors, or the stun/fear resist talent for feral druids, or the root/snare resist talent for hunters. all three talents are a low chance to resist a specific effect or effects, and for good reason; anything higher would start to create some pretty whacky situations (see also: orc wars with iron will + stun resist meta gem).

its a straight up buff, and shaman are getting for 3 points what other classes dont even get for 5, and its pretty high up in the tree too.

as for SR, i think the weakness lies less in its dispellability and more in the fact that its just not conducive towards a pvp environment. SR is best served while dual wielding, and it gets the greatest benefit from being next to your opponent as often as possible (and we all know enh shaman are real easy to kite). more than that, getting SR indicates you havent gotten NS, which is a primo pvp talent, and definetely more valuable for a pvping enh shaman than SR is.

besides, if it turns out to be that big of a deal, blizz could always just do for SR what they did for pain suppression, but at the same time i dont know if blizz wants to take enh down that path. with the exception of rogues, dual wielding in pvp is discouraged for melee classes due to its reliance on steady, less bursty damage, and i think SR is like rampage in the sense that it's just not designed for the pvp environment.

Axhilt, Quor... you guys are still looking at this from a general perspective. Shaman are not Priests with their half-a-dozen buffs. We're not Druids with three HoT's ticking, or Rogues with poisons being constantly applied.

We have three spells people purposefully dispell. Three. Two of which are on a cooldown that make them unlikly to show up more than once a fight anyways, and the third costs roughly three times as much as any dispell.

As bad as Shaman are sucking right now in PvP, we don't need to be held to a general scale. We need to be sat down and looked at as the unique, stand-alone class that we are, and measures need to be taken to improve our performance.

Is this buff better than nothing? Yeah, sure. But it's still a pretty pointless buff and won't solve anything or help Shaman perform any better. Honestly, you can't think that Blizzard didn't sit down and just think this up in five minutes' time.

"What's the last item on the list, Ted?"

"Uh... Buff Shaman."

"Ok, well, um... Gee, it's happy hour at Sonic in like five minutes... Just spin the Wheel of Buffs and throw a dart at it, we'll give them whatever it hits and just call it a day. Deal?"

i would put this into focused mind, it goes along with the talent.

Do you really want to be pigeonholed into a PVE- or PVP-only role simply because your talents are utterly inflexible?

Talents that have balanced PVE vs. PVP worth are better designed than those which focus solely on one area of play.

Another way of looking at it: Focused Mind is already worth taking. Healing Grace isn't. Which talent needs a buff more?

Criticize the value of this buff all you want - even I don't feel it's that amazing - but don't criticize where they've decided to place it.