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#1 Feb 01 2008 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
Hey im looking for a good macro that works with Marks for shot rotation, I dont spec into imp multi btw. Also last night in ssc the hunters got into an argument about multi, does it increase dps because its not on the same timer as auto? Thanks.

Edited, Feb 1st 2008 1:16pm by falonascilla
#2 Feb 01 2008 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Spec BM and use the standard macro.



edit: spelling ><

Edited, Feb 1st 2008 8:54pm by Aethien
#3 Feb 01 2008 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
Alot of the bosses we're on you cant really do as BM, like leo you cant use pet or it will glitch.
#4 Feb 01 2008 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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I don't use macros, so I'll skip the first part of the question.

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Also last night in ssc the hunters got into an argument about multi, does it increase dps because its not on the same timer as auto?


Multi-shot increases your dps particularly if you're spec'd for Barrage and Imp Barrage in the MM tree. 3/3 Barrage increases your multi-shot damage by 12% and 3/3 Imp Barrage increases your crit chance with multi-shot by 12%. So, you'll crit more and do more damage with multi-shot. You still have to slip a multi-shot into a rotation, but it's well worth the extra damage (if you're MM and spec'd for it). If you're MM and not spec'd for Barrage/Imp Barrage, I would highly recommend doing so.

#5 Feb 01 2008 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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falonascilla wrote:
Alot of the bosses we're on you cant really do as BM, like leo you cant use pet or it will glitch.
BM > MM even without pet.
#6 Feb 02 2008 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Aethien, how do you figure? In what circumstances? And how so?

I'm not suggesting you're wrong, it sounds like it after re-reading that, I'm just curious. Last time I played was 2 years ago, before TBC, and MM did more dmg than BM (though it was debated by some, I did more as MM for sure). I don't see how a BM spec'ed hunter does more dmg than a MM spec'd if the pet isn't considered.

I want to spec MM because I have more fun and enjoy the class more if I feel the pet is more of a complement to my ability, not the core of my ability. I'd rather roll a different class if I have to let my pet have all the fun hehe.

Let me know! Looking at the talents I don't see how it's possible a BM spec can do more dmg than MM...
#7 Feb 02 2008 at 8:38 PM Rating: Good
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Even as BM your pet just sort of helps.

Serpent's Swiftness=20% more autoshot damage.
The Beast Within= Massive burst
FI is Better than TSA.
#8 Feb 02 2008 at 11:38 PM Rating: Decent
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the main reasoen BM is so much better is that they get a lot closer to a ´perfect´ 1.8/1.9 autoshot time after hastes.
That is the perfect time to weave in steadyshots and gives you the maximum available steadyshots during a fight.
Wich in turn gives you the most dps.
And Steadyshot is also very mana effecient so Bm can keep on going for a long time.

MM however has to go through more complex shooting cycle´s to maximize dps and is therefore less mana effecient then BM, still does less dmg and doesnt have a good group buff (because TSA is just really weak compared to EW and FI)
#9 Feb 03 2008 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Okay, that makes sense. I'm still trying to figure out all this 1.8/2.3/1.5 yadda yadda shot timing nonsense. It seems like in short fights this wouldn't add up to as big of a difference as it does in raids.

Regardless, if more steady shots is why BM beats MM, then for leveling up to 60 at least, MM is a viable choice yes? I don't know why I'm so set on going MM, I just hate being the "cookie cutter" hunter. But at the same time I don't want to play MM for 60 levels then try to figure out and master BM once I get that high, so maybe I should just get comfortable with BM on the way up.

Thanks for the explanation guys! I'm sure I'll have more questions soon lol
#10 Feb 03 2008 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
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If you don't want to be BM at 70 you might want to consider Survival, though I'd still suggest BM for leveling. It is just flat out easier and faster. Get your gear, focusing on Agi over any other stat, and when you get to a good switch over. Though, you'll still have to figure out a 1.5:1 shot rotation. :P
#11 Feb 04 2008 at 2:50 AM Rating: Good
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falonascilla wrote:
Hey im looking for a good macro that works with Marks for shot rotation, I dont spec into imp multi btw.

Aethien wrote:
Spec BM and use the standard macro.

Aethien wrote:
BM > MM even without pet.

Ieatrocks wrote:
If you don't want to be BM at 70 you might want to consider Survival, though I'd still suggest BM for leveling.


The OP didn't ask for advice on his Talent spec. He asked for advice in the context of the Marksman spec.

If you want to answer his question and then offer unsolicited advice, that's fine, but why respond at all if you're just going to ignore the question?

Edited, Feb 4th 2008 5:52am by Kompera
#12 Feb 04 2008 at 10:18 AM Rating: Default
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Multi-shot increases your dps particularly if you're spec'd for Barrage and Imp Barrage in the MM tree. 3/3 Barrage increases your multi-shot damage by 12% and 3/3 Imp Barrage increases your crit chance with multi-shot by 12%. So, you'll crit more and do more damage with multi-shot. You still have to slip a multi-shot into a rotation, but it's well worth the extra damage (if you're MM and spec'd for it). If you're MM and not spec'd for Barrage/Imp Barrage, I would highly recommend doing so.

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I would have to disagree. Try messing around with a talent calculator and see what you would be giving up to get improved barrage.
I believe the only time to spec into barrage/imp barrage is for doing arenas when you more heavily rely on instant cast shots.

Also, while the cookie cutter 41/20 bm build is the best dps spec, it is also the least versatile. If your only role is dps, this is the way to go. Of course its your money and play the way you want. The 41/20 build only offers a slight increase in dps over a MM build.
#13 Feb 04 2008 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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correction, BM offers a large increase in dps over MM.
MM is the spec for arena's though.

And why is Bm less versatile? the standar raid spec also rapes people in PvP and if you know what you're doing you can trap with it prefectly fine...
#14 Feb 05 2008 at 4:26 AM Rating: Default
My Personal DPS has increased by far from specing a cookie BM build to a cookie MM build!

MM is better for 25mans + i personally think...

I also dont use any macro's tbh, but i have good Latency aswell and have my buttons (Main) set out right next to each other.

Edited, Feb 7th 2008 6:20am by Reccyuk
#15 Feb 10 2008 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Aethien wrote:
correction, BM offers a large increase in dps over MM.
MM is the spec for arena's though.

And why is Bm less versatile? the standar raid spec also rapes people in PvP and if you know what you're doing you can trap with it prefectly fine...


Not even going to touch this topic again....
#16 Feb 10 2008 at 6:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Kompera wrote:
falonascilla wrote:

Hey im looking for a good macro that works with Marks for shot rotation, I dont spec into imp multi btw.



Aethien wrote:

Spec BM and use the standard macro.



Aethien wrote:

BM > MM even without pet.



Ieatrocks wrote:

If you don't want to be BM at 70 you might want to consider Survival, though I'd still suggest BM for leveling.



The OP didn't ask for advice on his Talent spec. He asked for advice in the context of the Marksman spec.

If you want to answer his question and then offer unsolicited advice, that's fine, but why respond at all if you're just going to ignore the question?


Because your post was so useful?

Maybe they didn't tell him exactly what he wanted to know. They told him exactly what he NEEDED to know. BM/SV > MM.

EDIT- Mistake with a quote.

Edited, Feb 10th 2008 9:40am by idiggory
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#17 Feb 11 2008 at 1:04 AM Rating: Decent
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idiggory wrote:
Because your post was so useful?
As opposed to your own? Yep.

idiggory wrote:
Maybe they didn't tell him exactly what he wanted to know. They told him exactly what he NEEDED to know. BM/SV > MM.

EDIT- Mistake with a quote.
Not a mistake with a quote. Just a mistake.

The OP pays for his account, he can play any spec he likes. There are innumerable spec vs spec threads where the pros and cons of each spec are discussed. But he wasn't asking for spec advice, and your insistence that giving spec advice in place of what was requested is pure conceit.

Maybe the OP mainly PvPs and only runs SSC as a secondary pursuit. MM is a fine PvP spec. Maybe he's tried BM and doesn't enjoy it, or perhaps he's not geared for SV. You don't know, you have no clue. So drop the attitude.
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