So i just started as a human Paladin for my first time playing the game and was wondering if/ how I should go forward with my char.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hydraxis&n=Tommpat
that is where im at right now, wondering if im missing something or going in the wrong direction, etc. Anything would prob be helpful.
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Can't view armories from where I am, so explain what kind of gear you have/waht you want to spec in, etc.
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Im pretty much all holy right now with 22/23 talent points, improved lay of hands prob best I have I guess.
I have mining and blacksmithing, which im not sure if I should, and id like to change things now rather than later if its a big deal.
Str - 110
Agi - 45
Sta - 96
Itl - 58
Spr - 63
Arm - 1457
These all change a little depending on which weapon i use.
Does that help at all?
I have mining and blacksmithing, which im not sure if I should, and id like to change things now rather than later if its a big deal.
Str - 110
Agi - 45
Sta - 96
Itl - 58
Spr - 63
Arm - 1457
These all change a little depending on which weapon i use.
Does that help at all?
I dunno if you're going for my holy leveling strategy (leveling Holy but gearing Ret) but you definitely have more ret gear than holy-ish gear. Having said that, you might be more happy with a retribution spec, and if you went Holy because you want to heal end-game, then wait until then to do it.
So I would recommend for the fastest leveling, that you use a build like this, which keeps some holy talents but goes down ret until Seal of Command which should help your dps a lot. Or a build like this which ignores holy and just goes down retribution.
If you want to know how to keep going with those specs, look at the FAQ, find a couple of the sample builds I have, and just keep moving down it one way or another.
So I would recommend for the fastest leveling, that you use a build like this, which keeps some holy talents but goes down ret until Seal of Command which should help your dps a lot. Or a build like this which ignores holy and just goes down retribution.
If you want to know how to keep going with those specs, look at the FAQ, find a couple of the sample builds I have, and just keep moving down it one way or another.
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Well since holy is the best for long term I think I should go with that. You say your strategy or gearing ret and going holy, is that viable? Im pretty new so I really have no idea what im doing, I used to play runescape awhile ago but that was a lot simpler.
You get (most) of the dps of Ret while getting a good amount of survivability from Holy. It's nice being able to deal out the damage, and almost fully heal yourself with a small amount of mana and not be interrupted while doing so.
It's what I did.... read the FAQ.
It's what I did.... read the FAQ.
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see, i dont even know what dps? is.
I will read FAQ sometime, but im playing a poker tournament right now and just was trying to see if I am on right track or not because ill prob lvl again this afternoon and since I have improved lay on hands maybe I should go somewhere else with it?
Im sure its in the FAQ but what are your thoughts for professions? I have blacksmith and mining, both still below 150 exp. ???
I will read FAQ sometime, but im playing a poker tournament right now and just was trying to see if I am on right track or not because ill prob lvl again this afternoon and since I have improved lay on hands maybe I should go somewhere else with it?
Im sure its in the FAQ but what are your thoughts for professions? I have blacksmith and mining, both still below 150 exp. ???
Imp. Lay on Hands is a pretty uselss talent, but that's my opinion.
I think you'd be much better off leveling as Retribution, but Holy works O.K.
It's easy to switch back to Holy in endgame.
I think you'd be much better off leveling as Retribution, but Holy works O.K.
It's easy to switch back to Holy in endgame.
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I had just read something that said it was good and i seemed to agree if I was going holy.
I guess the consensus is to move to ret. but I had heard this was worthless. Am I confusing ret for prot. there?
I guess the consensus is to move to ret. but I had heard this was worthless. Am I confusing ret for prot. there?
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Im sure its in the FAQ but what are your thoughts for professions? I have blacksmith and mining, both still below 150 exp. ???
For my opinions on professions... consult the FAQ, which I wrote. (Actually I copied the professions section from the previous FAQ, because they best summed it up.)
I don't understand how you can post in a Poker Tournament, but not read.
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I dont want u on my bad side so ill finsih reading up, but I wont be able to read it all before I start playing later. But ill do it for u, and yea I already read the profession section and I still dont know what I should do. I guess ill stick with blacksmith because that was my runescape specialty.
While i am in battle I will have my devotion aura up, blessing of might and then use seal of crusader with judgement and concecration of the land or w/e? Throwing in a stund on the guys that run away, how is this for general battle technique?
I like to ask/respond rather than just read because it stimulates thinking and maybe youll think of something brand new.
While i am in battle I will have my devotion aura up, blessing of might and then use seal of crusader with judgement and concecration of the land or w/e? Throwing in a stund on the guys that run away, how is this for general battle technique?
I like to ask/respond rather than just read because it stimulates thinking and maybe youll think of something brand new.
There are essentially two types of professions in WoW: gathering and crafting. Crafting professions, like blacksmithing, are money sinks, pure and simple. Crafted items, with few exceptions, sell for less than the cost of the materials used to make them. There are precious few items in blacksmithing that you will be able to craft for yourself that are superior to what you can obtain from quest rewards (or buy from the auction house). The main benefit of leveling a crafting profession is the feeling of accomplishment you get from seeing that level go up over time.
If you drop blacksmithing now and pick up another gathering profession (skinning, herbalism, or enchanting), you will likely never want for money at any point in the game. When you hit level 70, if you decide there's a sweet epic 2hander you really can't live without, you can drop a gathering profession and "power-level" your blacksmithing in very short order.
The Trade Skills forum have a FAQ and ongoing debate on these subjects. You may want to peruse them, particularly if you're interested in learning how to make insane amounts of money using the Enchanting profession to disenchant green/blue items.
If you drop blacksmithing now and pick up another gathering profession (skinning, herbalism, or enchanting), you will likely never want for money at any point in the game. When you hit level 70, if you decide there's a sweet epic 2hander you really can't live without, you can drop a gathering profession and "power-level" your blacksmithing in very short order.
The Trade Skills forum have a FAQ and ongoing debate on these subjects. You may want to peruse them, particularly if you're interested in learning how to make insane amounts of money using the Enchanting profession to disenchant green/blue items.
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Im not interested in being rich, only the best char i can be. If I need to be rich to do that I should switch then? Im so lost, but it seems like there are multiple ways of doing everything and I cant expect to have it all.
idk, argh
idk, argh
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it seems like there are multiple ways of doing everything and I cant expect to have it all.
Exactly, welcome to WoW
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I guess the consensus is to move to ret. but I had heard this was worthless. Am I confusing ret for prot. there?
I think the culprit here might be more of a "forum attitude" -- Generally, the conversations about "good specs" and "bad specs" apply to end-game use, which isn't what you're looking for yet. Retribution is a perfectly valid choice for levelling, and probably the most effective one up until level 40. Of course, if you levelled that far with it, it's probably best to carry it straight through to 60 before respeccing.
All this talk about "ret being broken" and "prot and holy being the only read pally specs" is centered on the end-game Paladin. When you reach that point, you can come to your own conclusions about those kinds of things.
There's a lot more to talk about than just spec... My advice is to check out the FAQ, and while you're reading look specifically for information on these topics:
~ The best weapons to use with Seal of Command
~ Why Blessing of Wisdom will help you more than Blessing of Might
~ The usefulness of Devotion Aura vs. Retribution Aura while levelling
~ Stats to look for
Just wanted to chuck in my 2 cents on professions. I'm a Holy Pally and lvl'd Blacksmith and Mining on the way to 70. Was my first char so didn't know any better. I'm sure the guys will correct me if I'm wrong but blacksmithing will only give you 2 or 3 craftable items viable for end game raiding and the recipes for these drop in Black temple.
I'm currently running SSC and TK with my guild so that is still some distance away.
Engineering will give you a good helm (I forget the name) which I think is comparable with T4/T5 gear.
Personally, I wish I had chosen alchemy and herb. I tend to use a lot of pots for buffs (Elixir of Healing, Elixir or Intellect, Mana pots etc....) while raiding so this would have been the most useful for me.
I spent too much money lvling my BS to drop it now though..... so I'm doing alchemy on alt instead.
I'm currently running SSC and TK with my guild so that is still some distance away.
Engineering will give you a good helm (I forget the name) which I think is comparable with T4/T5 gear.
Personally, I wish I had chosen alchemy and herb. I tend to use a lot of pots for buffs (Elixir of Healing, Elixir or Intellect, Mana pots etc....) while raiding so this would have been the most useful for me.
I spent too much money lvling my BS to drop it now though..... so I'm doing alchemy on alt instead.
Thank you, Losie, for a very understandable, well thought out post.
We need more people like you.
We need more people like you.
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Both helpful I think.
I might just go with Alch and herb or something like that just to do the opposite of what I did in runescape.
So it seems i will def start doing some prot things if not just to lvl faster. Ill have to think about profs. I feel like i should switch now rather than later so we will see.
Thanks for the help and im checking out those things right now
I might just go with Alch and herb or something like that just to do the opposite of what I did in runescape.
So it seems i will def start doing some prot things if not just to lvl faster. Ill have to think about profs. I feel like i should switch now rather than later so we will see.
Thanks for the help and im checking out those things right now
I'd like to think I'm pretty educated with WoW, and here is a lot of advice that I've been given when I first started:
Pick something that you'll enjoy doing, whether it be your class, spec, or profession. If picking flowers isn't your thing, then don't.
You can always change your profession. Don't think that you're stuck with one (Technically two).
If you want to make money, pick up some gathering professions, whether it be mining (Biggest money maker), Herbalism, or Skinning.
Pick something that you'll enjoy doing, whether it be your class, spec, or profession. If picking flowers isn't your thing, then don't.
You can always change your profession. Don't think that you're stuck with one (Technically two).
If you want to make money, pick up some gathering professions, whether it be mining (Biggest money maker), Herbalism, or Skinning.
For the most part... you're going to replace most eng-game craftable items with something better anyway. Even then, the advantages you get from one profession over another usually aren't going to be "ZOMGIPWNU" revelations or anything. Obviously you aren't going to get alot out of Leatherworking as a Pally, but everything has its uses for everyone. The biggest use I find for Blacksmiting for my pallies is to provide Shield Spikes all the way through the levelling process. It makes a bigger difference to me than anything that any BOP craftable epics.
It's all based on personal preference, I like to take mining and skinning as my two profs on every character I make. My goal is to make as much money as I can and simply buy whatever it is I desire.
I just reached 39 on my pally today and he broke a 100G meanwhile I've bought ~100G worth of gear from the auction house. I never spent any time simply "Farming" for minerals, so everything I earned was from normal questing and grabbing a mineral vein if I saw it and skinning what I killed.
Ret or prot seems to be good for leveling, they both have distinct advantages over the other so do whatever you want to do.
I just reached 39 on my pally today and he broke a 100G meanwhile I've bought ~100G worth of gear from the auction house. I never spent any time simply "Farming" for minerals, so everything I earned was from normal questing and grabbing a mineral vein if I saw it and skinning what I killed.
Ret or prot seems to be good for leveling, they both have distinct advantages over the other so do whatever you want to do.
i did herb/alchemy lvling up. it practicaly free to skill up if you do it while you lvl. there are no obnoxious things to deal with for alchemy. 1 herb + 1 other herb = pot.
its so simple and easy and the mats are also simple and easy to get.
plus there is the added bonus of never regretting it when you get to end game. alchemy will AWLAYS be used full.
its so simple and easy and the mats are also simple and easy to get.
plus there is the added bonus of never regretting it when you get to end game. alchemy will AWLAYS be used full.
Well, it looks like I get to disagree with a lot of people on the boards again. Sorry about that....
I leveled up just fine specced holy, dumping my first 31 points in to get to Holy Shock as quickly as I could. I've tried leveling ret, and for me it sucks. I die a whole lot more because I tend to burn out my mana doing damage, then have none to heal, and not particularly good heals even if I have the mana. Playstyles vary - if you like fighting in holy spec, do it. If you're getting bored playing your paladin and feel like it takes forever to level, then play with your spec, but if it ain't broke don't fix it.
For professions, I went mining/smithing - this was also my first toon, and yeah, I spent a lot of time without much money. But it was fun, I got to wear a lot of my own stuff, and when I needed money, like when I got to 39 and started thinking about a mount, it was easy enough to just farm Badlands for iron at 5g a stack for a while until I got it. Making money is easy, just do what you enjoy. For every other paladin I've tried to level, I've picked up engineering. It has some really nice things that you don't get as a paladin - ranged weapons, aoe, pets, crowd control - and it's just a blast.
As for the LoH, I've actually found that pretty useful. Back in the day when AV's ran forever, it was really nice having that "oh #$%#" button every 40 minutes instead of every hour, and it was really nice when our guild first broke into raiding. All the healers would go out of mana quickly the first time we fought a new boss, since very few of my guild were geared, and I got into a system of healing until I was oom, waiting for the tank to nearly die, then hitting LoH and potting up to heal again. By the time we fought our way through the trash to the next boss, the LoH was about ready again.
As for gear, the truth is there isn't much plate or mail available below 60 that's really going to help a holy paladin, and if you want it you're going to need to spend a lot of time farming cash to buy it. Almost none of it is quest rewards or easy drops. You really need some more +int in there to beef up your mana pool - I'm guessing you run out of mana pretty fast in a fight. Other than that, I don't see any real problem with your gear for solo work. It probably wouldn't help you much if you tried to heal groups, particularly as main healer at your level - if you've got the bag space and it doesn't get you into any loot fights, you might want to think about settling for some leather or cloth if it gives you really good +heal or +int. Or learn to use consumables - potions, scrolls and food can really beef you up.
I leveled up just fine specced holy, dumping my first 31 points in to get to Holy Shock as quickly as I could. I've tried leveling ret, and for me it sucks. I die a whole lot more because I tend to burn out my mana doing damage, then have none to heal, and not particularly good heals even if I have the mana. Playstyles vary - if you like fighting in holy spec, do it. If you're getting bored playing your paladin and feel like it takes forever to level, then play with your spec, but if it ain't broke don't fix it.
For professions, I went mining/smithing - this was also my first toon, and yeah, I spent a lot of time without much money. But it was fun, I got to wear a lot of my own stuff, and when I needed money, like when I got to 39 and started thinking about a mount, it was easy enough to just farm Badlands for iron at 5g a stack for a while until I got it. Making money is easy, just do what you enjoy. For every other paladin I've tried to level, I've picked up engineering. It has some really nice things that you don't get as a paladin - ranged weapons, aoe, pets, crowd control - and it's just a blast.
As for the LoH, I've actually found that pretty useful. Back in the day when AV's ran forever, it was really nice having that "oh #$%#" button every 40 minutes instead of every hour, and it was really nice when our guild first broke into raiding. All the healers would go out of mana quickly the first time we fought a new boss, since very few of my guild were geared, and I got into a system of healing until I was oom, waiting for the tank to nearly die, then hitting LoH and potting up to heal again. By the time we fought our way through the trash to the next boss, the LoH was about ready again.
As for gear, the truth is there isn't much plate or mail available below 60 that's really going to help a holy paladin, and if you want it you're going to need to spend a lot of time farming cash to buy it. Almost none of it is quest rewards or easy drops. You really need some more +int in there to beef up your mana pool - I'm guessing you run out of mana pretty fast in a fight. Other than that, I don't see any real problem with your gear for solo work. It probably wouldn't help you much if you tried to heal groups, particularly as main healer at your level - if you've got the bag space and it doesn't get you into any loot fights, you might want to think about settling for some leather or cloth if it gives you really good +heal or +int. Or learn to use consumables - potions, scrolls and food can really beef you up.
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