Heroic reqs.Follow

I've always been planning ahead when i play a mmorpg and lately I've been thinking about Heroics. when am i ready for them? Do i just need the gear found in the normal BC instances or do i need all kinds of special crafted gear. Lend me your thoughts on this, show me some items.

,Zigaestos

Further to that *cough*Holy paladin sticky*cough* written by... some tool. No wait that's the ret guide. Still, check the sticky.

Well, that sticky is about Pre-kara gear right? and to obtain that kidn of gear you need to do heroics, farm badges, etc. So the sticky will only give me an example of how my pre-kara gear should look, and not my Heroic gear. please correct me if i'm wrong here



Ok thanks, so it's not like Heroics require a great set of gear, just a nice group and some regular gear should be fine? Lucky for me i wont be lacking good people. my guildies are doing Heroics all the time.

,Zignaestos

What most stickies fail to mention is that heroics are every bit as hard as Kara, and in many cases harder since you don't have access to 10 people. You need to have the absolute best-of-the-best pre-herioc gear (including not just instance gear, but rep gear, and crafted gear too if you can make it) before you start thinking about heroics.

I have to disagree with you here. Maybe in the past before they nerfed all heroics, but you don't need super gear to do them anymore. You just need competency in your group. You see, arc used to be so hard that it HAD to be a guild run, you needed to flask, use raid buffs/food, resist gear... everything. Now you can put a pug together in trade chat and complete it without wiping once. As long as you have a remotely reasonable spec, competent gear (not loading up on greens of int or healing), you shouldn't have much trouble.

so would you say Def and Avoidance > Sta when just starting out?

Yeah i read that, problem im having is with things like replacing my S3 Chest and its 58+ sta and 1825 armor with something like this.

Edited, Feb 1st 2008 3:46pm by KTurner

Edited, Feb 1st 2008 7:21pm by KTurner

Please use alla links, I can mouseover those and not have to open a bunch of windows.

Anyway, I can see your dilemma, however if you are willing to keep regemming your gear, which can be expensive, then go for it. However, I don't see why you can't have 2 mutually exclusive sets of gear. Keep the Vengeful Gladiator's chest for your healing set, and grab the Blestplate of the Righteous, or even better the Jade Skull Breastplate for your tanking set. Comparitively your healing set will be better for healing than your tanking set will be for tanking, but you won't have to keep crossing the gear and possibly regemming and reenchanting every time you want to do something different.

With the Jade Skull, you'll lost some STA, sure, but you'll gain a lot more defense and a lot more blocking, which is what you need as a tank. You can have all the STA in the world, but unless you're a bear you can't have that as your defense. You need the other gear and your sta is going to take some hits until you can get those defense stats up.

You used to, now just link it like normal and it will work for everyone.

Ok, let's run a little experiment. You go make a group up of a tank of your choice, healer of your choice, and three DPS without CC. Get the most "competent" people you know within the bounds of those requirements. Gear all five members completely in non-epic, non-rep, non-crafted, pre-Kara, pre-heroic gear (including gems) outside of what I suggested because you think it's not necessary. Then go run any heroic of your choosing.

Let me know how far your "competence" takes you. Go on. I'll wait.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2008 4:19am by Gaudion

Balance and Feral Druids as well. Perhaps that list is a little too small. Ok, pick any DPS you want, just don't use the class' CC if they have it.

If you haven't figured my point out by now, it's that I'm sick and tired of this "common knowledge" floating around that heriocs are so easy. It's like in order to prove that you've advanced in the game and how much you know, you have to let everyone else know how easy heroics are. "Especially since the nerf."

It's an arrogant, elitest, detached opinion, it's false, and it's misleading to people who are setting up for heroics for the very first time. People need to remember what it was like before their guild had Kara on farm and they were epicced to the nines. Heroics are a good indication of whether or not you're ready to run Kara. They are not, as people like Dilbrt would have us believe, a "casual warm-up" for it.

"Now you can put a pug together in trade chat and complete it without wiping once"? Are you kidding me? That's bull!@#$. You need a group with the CC, the gear, and yes, the competence, but you need all of those things.

"Pure skill" is not a substitute for preparedness past the normal TK instances.

EDIT: Spelling.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2008 1:51pm by Gaudion

A Paladin tank in my gear (I'm pretty sure it fits your requirements Gaud) a Holy Paladin in my healing gear, which is Kara Ready, but doesn't include one piece from kara (+1200 healing, 18% crit, 80mp5) and.... 3 pre-kara mages, no sheep.

I think that would be interesting to see how far we could go in say, Arc.

Personally I get a little anxious when I'm about to do a heroic. I know it's going to be difficult and will require me to perform at my best, especially if I'm playing with people I don't know.

I don't consider heroics at all to be easy, with or without nerfs. I take my biggest hits there and I'm biting my nails half the time as my health bar goes into a harmonic rhythm moving up and down.