Showing my Guildmaster he's just wrong . . . about tankingFollow

umm 61 points in Prot with PVP gear...it don't really matter how much armor and HP this guys has he will fail...I'm afraid this guy may be hopeless...

You could mention this site and how great the FAQs are and hope that he comes here and learns the error of his ways all by himself

i just died alittle inside. . .

if its that bad, then there is no helping it. you will **** him off, you pretty much have too. if you believe in your decisions and someone tells you that your 100% wrong (which he seems to be) your going to take it hard.

Edited, Jan 31st 2008 11:06am by RuenBahamut

He needs someone like me to walk up to him, inspect him, and laugh my *** off. I'm not very... tactful, but when I say things people tend to listen more than not.

LAWL @ UR SPEC U R BAD !!11!1!! or something like that.

You know, I really ought to make a sticky for proposed specs that make absolutely no sense just for entertainment sakes. This would definitely be in there.

I like that idea Chood. Does anyone know of an add-on that would give me a good combat log summary or statistics or whatnot? I've never tried any. (I'll have to recruit someone is his group to log his combats too.)

And Dilbrt, I'll see if I can find some random strangers (hopefully well-geared pally-tank strangers) to make fun of him...

http://www.wowwebstats.com

That site will tell you how to configure WoW to properly record all the information. Then, run it through their java applet, and upload it to a web site. You can get very detailed information on how much damage a boss is dealing to the tanks. Then it shouldn't be much harder to show the difference between tanks.

No really it just looks like he doesn't know he can (or doesn't know how to) split trees. I've known some mages like that "Fire mage means full fire" etc.

As far as the gear - seems like he's also fallen into that purple pixel thing. I see so many people do that. Blues are better than my green, purple is better than my blue. Doesn't matter about the stats for spec, it's the rarity that matters. It works ok with some pieces for DPS but PVP gear for tanking, no matter the pixel color, is pretty near useless. Well, unless they make tank/healing gear for healers... that would rock.

As far as chood's idea? Well it would be quite telling. But if he's going on about his threat and whatnot then he's probably got quite the swollen e-peen and I'm not sure doing a comparison sort of deal would be useful. Well it would be useful but it would probably put him on the defensive.

Maybe, instead of that, say something like "Oh dude I found this good site with a gear list and stuff. Made me realize that I was doing some things wrong and that while threat is a good thing I don't generate threat when I'm DEAD"

OK, don't caps that. But if you're after actually changing things and keeping the peace say that you learned a lot and point him to the gear list here or elsewhere and leave it at that. If he doesn't get the hint he's not going to and then you're going to have to decide what you want to do.

I am highly saddened by this build...

I think you may need to put him down before any further damage is caused.

ROFL

that's all I got to say.

Sorry

*shuffles off*

It's hard to shuffle in plate - it clangs no matter what you do. Any mages around I can borrow some wool batting from? Am I allowed to ask that?

If he gets defensive there's not much you can do about it. There's a certain type of person that just gets narky and mean whenever you criticise them. The trick is to downplay the problem, so that he doesn't take it the wrong way, but at the same time hint to him that he could be doing better if he did this this and this.

Something like "Hey, I've been reading on Alla lately, they have some real good advice. You should drop by and check out their guides sometime." If you say "but your build is stuuuupiiid!" he'll just go batsh*t. There's a friend in my pen-and-paper RP group who's like that. Whenever he DM's, we have to be reeeeaaallly careful what we say (because his games are usually crappy) because if he gets pissed off he'll chuck us out of his house.

So, like "Oh, it's not a huge deal, it's just that you would be tanking better in this gear. I mean, purple doesn't always mean good." Also try to pop the subject of cross-specialisation, like some points in Holy. I find ten points in Holy to be useful in any Paladin build.

I know you're probably talking exclusively about paladins and warriors, but don't knock PvP gear for tanking if you ever see a druid wearing it. It's actually pretty decent for them.

Link him to this thread.


"Hey, Guild Leader guy, your Prot build is less than optimal for PvE. Allow me to qualify that by stating I have nothing against you or Prot pallies, this is just the opinion of a guy who has raided with Prot pallies from Attumen to Hyjal.

Worse you are using PvP epics to raid with. Having purples for the sake of purples is a really not good plan. Especially when you try to substitute PvP epics for PvE or vice versa. They have different functions and with only a few exceptions to the rule, tend to under perform when used outside where they are supposed to be used.

I understand that you probably have a reasoning or justification for each of your choices. Allow me to cut through them and state flat out, that they are all flawed and are doing your guild a disservice. You are the MT, one of the most vital parts of any raid and if you are all over the place in terms of build and wearing less than stellar gear for the job you chose to do then you are most definitely hindering raid progression. I won't blame it entirely on you, since I obviously don't know your raid make up and who is performing and not but as it stands you are contributing to the suck as much as a Sub Mace rogue would be."

I'm not sure that I have the "bubble-hearths" to link my GM directly to this thread, but I did put a nice big post on the guild website suggesting people check out these forums for good advice. So we'll see if he follows along to this page.

Anyway, I'm not saying he's a super-cocky jerk or anything, just that my more subtle methods of questioning his build/gear have resulted in failure (either because he just doesn't believe me or I'm being TOO suble for him to get it) and he thinks he's doing well. So, I'm having to move on to less subtle measures and requesting advice about how to do it.

Oh, and thanks for your comments Bhod. Although, 'not nice, at all'. They're pretty direct and convincing.