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It sounds to me like you need a new guild.

Naw, the vast majority of my guildies are both kind-spirited and competent. I enjoy the atmosphere very much. Just this one guy is a bit of an irritant.

Dari -

I've asked the Raid Leader to combine the pet info, and he says he has, although I still get different results. We use SWStats, which is supposed to be very accurate, so I might be doing something wrong. But I'm wary of insisting that the meter be checked, because of the stereotype of the dpser who cares for nothing but topping the meter. Since I am not a utility player, and from what my meter says, I would be in the #1 slot, I don't want to press the matter too hard.

And this guy is an adult. A father, no less.

I do understand the argument that epic pvp gear is preferable to blue pve, but this guy is passing up pve epics like they're not good enough for him.

/shrug

Edited, Jan 30th 2008 5:55pm by Laecy

Without going into people being jerks, at a kara/gruul level of raiding vengeful gear is better for pve, and the axe is pretty much the best weapon you'll get. I don't really understand why all hunters wouldn't get it, as you can lose arena's for 4 weeks and buy the axe.

As per spec, I'm assuming you have a cookie cutter 41/20 build, and as such have the highest potential dps. SV hunters can also pump out the numbers if they know what they are doing though.

Edited, Jan 30th 2008 5:13pm by Xsarus

Because some of us simply despise PvP as it is and would be against our morals and principles to participate in it? I do not trade my morals for any pixel gear.

@OP

If said person would behave like that in my guild he would get serious warning before removal.
Guild is not only about who has bigger epeen considering dps or PvP or gear color - for me the guild is place where people should mingle with people they like and enjoy to play with.
If someone is molesting or harassing you or making you feel bad about something, I would expect you to tell me as a GM and I would for certain demand of him to ease up or find another guild.
Not to mention that such kind wouldnt be welcomed in mine in first place.

got someone like that in my guild today.
Incompetent hunter, MM spec, did worse dps then me in my PvP MM spec, didnt have his pet out, didnt know about attack speeds (wich is the least of his crimes though), didnt MD etc etc etc.....







and seriously, doing less dps then me in pvp spec and AotV to prevent going OoM after 15 seconds?

I totally get the not liking pvp, Although I've found arena's a ton of fun, and unlike any other pvp in the game. I'd say give it a try, but if you really don't want to, it's not going to hinder you. With that being said morals and principles?????

I love being the Classleader for Hunters in my guild. It allows me to winnow out all the retards, huntards, poor attitudes, cUnts and people I generally don't like.

I had a similar Hunter in the guild, and he had been invited by another Officer as a real life friend without my knowledge. Thus, he also bypassed alot of the information he would otherwise be required to read/know to gain entry into the guild. Now, I logged on my own Hunter, and ran into the fellow in Shattrah. Apparently he didn't check the guildlist for my rank, because I quite quickly found myself perused quite close. My specc was apparently not good enough (cookie cutter 41/20/0, pretty much), and my gear really didn't fit for raiding (Tier 4, one S1 piece, Sunfury and so on).

Slightly amused by this lad, I decided to check his own gear and specc. He was 5/40/16, and his gear had more spelldamage than my Mage has.

"Right... since you obviously know your stuff, mind explaining why you are wearing so much spelldamage gear? Not to mention raid with a PvP specc?"

This of course led to a quite lengthy explanation of Mend Pet, Arcane Shot and Stings for DPS. Spelldamage boosted it all, apparently. At this point I'm frothing at the mouth, since I got a whisper from another Hunter about this guy harassing every Hunter in the guild about their gear and specc. When he started telling me his specc wasn't for PvP, it was the highest DPS specc for PvE, I snapped.

First I gave this lad a thorough and long explanation of the mechanics he mangled rather horribly. Then I went over to the subject of his ancestry and lineage, and how this subject could be visualized in the nearest zoo. After briefly digressing about how scientists were now harnessing limitless amounts of power from Darwin's spinning corpse due to his continued existence, I finally started to run low on insults and had to resort to taking stabs at his sexual preferences and lack of companions to practice said preferences.

"FUck you, noob. Who the hell do you think you are? I'm going to get you kicked by (insert rl friend and Officer name here). You don't know anything about Hunters..."

At this point my crotch started telling me in no uncertain terms that it had absolutely no problem with me taking this fellow down a peg or two. My crotch often influences my decisions, and has yet to fail me.

"Check my guildrank, lad..." My guildrank is "Guildmistress" by the way. I took over the position of guildleader a little while ago, and kept my position as Hunter CL as well.

His silence was deafening. Almost the entire guild had listened to me running a live commentary on Ventrilo and was now waiting with bated breath. "I didn't mean that, you know..." The guild erupted into laughter, and it spilled over to Gchat, revealing my live commentary to him and the Officer who invited him. Well, my guild and a couple of guests from three other raiding guilds had followed it.

After a well deserved gkick and the other Officer leaving willingly, we got to work. Getting the collective raid guilds of an entire server to blacklist two people takes a bit of work. As far as I know, they haven't migrated yet, but I have a feeling we'll get rid of them soon enough.

Moral of the story? None, really... Retards are retards, and the only solution is to get rid of them. There's no other option. You can't educate someone who already thinks they know everything there is to know. Your only hope is to get his superior officers to come to these boards and find out the facts for themselves.

Edit: Managed to make his specc 5/40/15, instead of 5/40/16

Edited, Jan 31st 2008 6:00pm by NorthAI

This is why north doesn't post so much anymore. He spends all his time coming up with insults. nice.

Also blacklisting is great. Even better is putting a bounty on their head.

If you think blacklisting someone is as easy as just saying "don't invite that guy", you are sorely mistaken. It's not even blacklisting, since I have no influence on other guilds whatsoever. All we do, is inform the guildleaders in question about the fellow and his transgressions. Whether or not they blacklist him, is completely up to them.

The blacklisting of the former Officer was influenced by several other incidents, amongst others the harassment of a 13 year old girl on VT. He was going to be dumped soon anyway, and this was merely the drop that made the cup overflow.

Still, you are quite right. I am an ***** and I have no qualms about making the virtual lives of people I don't like, worse. It is one of my hobbies, and I delight in watching/hearing the people in question behave as if their virtual standing has any significance whatsoever.

Xsarus: I am fully aware of bounties being effective, but I am not going to spend a single gold on these guys. I do believe I've told you guys about the friendly relations we have with a few Horde guilds on the server? We scratch their backs by hunting down their fellow hordies when they need someone... disciplined, and they return the favor.

Will have to pop onto their VT's soon, and spread the word. Thanks for reminding me.

For one, skil between PvP and PvE are entirely different and so are the stats associated with said style of play.

Second, while PvP gear can be quite good for certain situations, ie S3 Arena while playing in T4 and even some T5 content.... any GOOD hunter should know that there are seperate gear lists for a reason.

Third, if you plan on raiding, and have the expectation of being a reliable, great, and desirable addition to your raid, why would you ever forego a piece of gear, like the Arena S3 Hunter axe? Your sense of morality aside, thats just retarded... if you want to be the best you have to get the best gear (and skill obviously) and if your not WILLING to do it that automatically takes you out of the running.

Lastly, you guildies an idiot, /gkick him and be done with it, his gear is ok now, but when it comes to the real T5 and T6 content he not going to add anything to your guild that another mage couldn't.

Kinda skip read the thread, so sorry if this has been mentioned before.

Might be worth logging (or suggesting that an officer logs) the combat for raids and puts it up on WWS http://wowwebstats.com/.

Chances are aswell as not combining pet data that your officer is also not breaking down the damage meter in terms of boss fights vs trash fights (difference being boss fights are more important and tend to favour those with pve stats i.e. hit).

WWS gives you a nice report that lets you break down damage done by encounters and so you can for example see how well everyone did on your first gruul attempt of the night.

I think there's instructions on the site, one thing to remember is to change your combat log range to the max (there's some fancy macro that I can't remember) as not all damage meters do that automatically.

Then you can post a log of your instance with a 'hey guys, look at this cool site I found' and hopefully from that have some evidence to point towards you being better than the whiner.