Wow.... alright I'm not stupid enough to know that this wasn't going to happen. I've been feeling some of this already. Just a couple things I want to say:
(Wow, looking at the time of this post I had woken up for no good reason... must have felt a disturbance, which is actually really really sad).
1) About the so-called "Fanclub"
I'm not going to say I'm not popular. I do get mail from people specifically asking advice and there are lots of rum jokes and other things like that. I didn't really try for any of this. I've been thinking about this for a while as to why this happened, and I think it's just a combination of
a) I wrote the FAQ
-This being the first thing many people see, I am essentially the first person recognized with the Paladin forums. I wasn't trying for this when I wrote it, just someone needed to update the FAQ and I wanted to have a crack at it. So I tried to write out what I felt would be as in-depth of a guide to a starting Paladin.
b) I based my Poster name off of a favorite character in a movie.
-While intentional, not the way in that you think. My very first mmo character was a FFXI thief that I named... you guessed it, CaptainJack. I had just finished watching the first movie, and I wanted to make a character based off that character. When I came on alla in the FFXI forums, I wanted to keep that name, and CaptainJack was taken, so I went with CapJack.
and...
c) I'm almost always on the forums
-The only time I'm not on is basically when I'm asleep or in class. As such, I generally get a lot of first posts in as replies, or I just start replying to everything I see. I try to bring a little humor around occasionally, and I try not to be too mean in my posts.
I did my whole "domination of the boards" thing, realizing this was a bit pig-headish (though I was really just trying for the joke) I quit it that's why I changed my sig back and my title.
2) About my Rant
I might have been out of line when writing my rant. I wasn't trying to "dictate" behavior. I never once said you "HAVE" to do this, it was just something that was bothering me and I wanted to share with the other people here. I wasn't trying to step on anyone toes, just point out where they were currently standing. I spend sooo much time on these forums, I just want it to be as good as it can be. Paladins of all specs get enough bashing out there (cue the boos at blizcon) and I want this to be a nice place where they can get their info.
I dunno though, thinking back I am starting to regret writing that rant. I honestly never really had a huge problem with "Lawl ret" I just don't understand why it can't be "Lawl Ret.... now here's some advice".
Edited, Jan 30th 2008 7:16am by CapJack
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zepoodle wrote:
Celcio, I don't think you've expressed an argumentative point clearly since the last time you asked your mum for tit milk.
Attacks directly at a poster instead of their argument usually belie a lack of a solid argument of one's own. Please bring your own argument to a thread rather than
And this brings me to what really irritated me about Jack's post. You see, what I did here was address a behavior when it happened, in the thread it happened. Generic "we should improve" posts rarely work. There's actually a flowchart that would make a great visual aid, but I'm too lazy to go find it.
If you have a problem with a behavior, you need to express your disaproval when it happens to the person who did it. Saying a behavior is bad to nobody in particular doesn't work. But people take notice when you correct someone.
Someone being a dick? Tell them to stop being a dick. Right there, when it happens. Don't make a post about it to the forum as a whole and say "Hey guys, let's stop being dicks." some time after the fact.
Just saying.
Poldaran wrote:
Attacks directly at a poster instead of their argument usually belie a lack of a solid argument of one's own. Please bring your own argument to a thread rather than
Poldy, I respect your advice and not just because I love your name, but you should recognise that what I said wasn't a personal attack on Celcio. It was a personal attack on Celcio's argument. Which is low of me, but my opinion of Celcio kinda took a nosedive after they insinuated that numerous members of the forum had Jack's **** in their mouth.
If Celcio's way of approaching a debate is to confuse and humiliate the opposing party by setting up straw men and insinuating that the distinguished opposition is homosexual, I see no convincing reason to enter such a debate.
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Someone being a Richard? Tell them to stop being a Richard. Right there, when it happens. Don't make a post about it to the forum as a whole and say "Hey guys, let's stop being Richards." some time after the fact.
Okay. Ahem.
"Celcio, you are being a d*ck. I would like it if you stopped."
Just saying.
edit: Stupid karma censorship.
Edited, Jan 30th 2008 10:01am by zepoodle
Edited, Jan 30th 2008 10:02am by zepoodle
I wrote:
no idea tbh. buncha @#%^in fairies in here lately.
/nod.
Edited, Jan 30th 2008 7:20am by KTurner
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Celcio wrote
Maybe that's because the game is more popular now and attracts the curious/casual player (like myself) rather than the hard-core gamer of old?
CapJack wrote
Speaking as a newbie; especially to the Paladin boards, this sums up my feelings prior to the rant. It wasn't a "I read x say..." kind of thing, just an impression. "Lawl Ret" is no worse than a roll-eye - bit of fun, who cares? It was the overall "impression" that if you wanted to play ret and asked for advice you would receive a "noob....why won't you listen, ret sucks end-game, roll prot/holy".
Maybe my feelings were wrong or the impression given unintended, but Cap's post struck a chord. /shrug
Can't help thinking that most women looking over my shoulder and reading all this would just ^^ /children!
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Celcio wrote
Now THAT is one of the truest statements i've read in a long time!
Count as a hug? ;)
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When I was here for prot advice there was no CapJack, there was Thels and Gaudion. Players who'd studied and extended their class and were at the edge of the game. (I wonder if it's telling that they're gone now. I don't know what happened to Thels but Gaudion rolled another hybrid class and was disillusioned and is now levelling a priest) They were no carebears. It was "ask a decent question and we'll give you an answer" it was "post your build (no armory then) and we'll try to help otherwise we can't be ****** you tool".
Maybe that's because the game is more popular now and attracts the curious/casual player (like myself) rather than the hard-core gamer of old?
CapJack wrote
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I honestly never really had a huge problem with "Lawl ret" I just don't understand why it can't be "Lawl Ret.... now here's some advice".
Speaking as a newbie; especially to the Paladin boards, this sums up my feelings prior to the rant. It wasn't a "I read x say..." kind of thing, just an impression. "Lawl Ret" is no worse than a roll-eye - bit of fun, who cares? It was the overall "impression" that if you wanted to play ret and asked for advice you would receive a "noob....why won't you listen, ret sucks end-game, roll prot/holy".
Maybe my feelings were wrong or the impression given unintended, but Cap's post struck a chord. /shrug
Can't help thinking that most women looking over my shoulder and reading all this would just ^^ /children!
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Celcio wrote
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You stick around for a while and you realize that change isn't always good.
Now THAT is one of the truest statements i've read in a long time!
Count as a hug? ;)
I think the fact that I was giving Paladin advice here months before CapJack's name ever showed up and the current colors of our names speak for themselves. Is the current state of this board better? Is the advice better? Are the trash posts that could be solved by five minutes of research any less frequent?
It's been so long that I can't even remember if you were around for it, Celcio, but is there anyone here beyond maybe tommyguns or Maulgak that remembers my Paladin FAQ? Hoo boy... that one went over well. The regulars at the time applauded my efforts, some took it with a laugh and a grain of salt, but mostly people who had just come to the board or posted somewhere else regularly were abhored. Outraged, really. It was petitioned for a sticky, then campaigned against until it was removed. My name actually went back to orange, then blue, then orange, then somehow blue again.
I consider the color of my name to be my badge of courage. The fact that I've given enough good advice to be recognized as credibly knowledgable while still pissing off enough people in the right places to avoid rising to a position of unquestioned influence, power, and complacency. Oh, and yes-men. I hate yes-men.
To be honest, it's not just the Paladin boards. I'm trying to ween myself off of Allakhazam entirely. There's just no point to it anymore. People here constantly rag on the o-boards, and for good reason; it's alwasy full of ridiculous !@#$, people with victim's complexes calling for buffs or nerfs that don't have any interest in balance, they just want their main's class to be the best at everything.
Are we any better over here? No, we're not. We're just different. In almost any given class forum you can divine an inner clique of dedicated posters that sit in a circle, each one giving a hand-job to the one to the left of him while they pretend to talk about things relevant to their class. In reality, nothing of substance gets said, outsiders are scorned, and no one new can be helped.
The Rogue boards here are the worst and have been that way longer than any other. That particular board is, in my opinion, the most corrupt and decadent on any dedicated WoW class forum online bar none. Thankfully, we're not like them, but we're not any more relavent. At least, we're not like them yet. I hope I've long since moved on before things ever get that bad anywhere else.
It's been so long that I can't even remember if you were around for it, Celcio, but is there anyone here beyond maybe tommyguns or Maulgak that remembers my Paladin FAQ? Hoo boy... that one went over well. The regulars at the time applauded my efforts, some took it with a laugh and a grain of salt, but mostly people who had just come to the board or posted somewhere else regularly were abhored. Outraged, really. It was petitioned for a sticky, then campaigned against until it was removed. My name actually went back to orange, then blue, then orange, then somehow blue again.
I consider the color of my name to be my badge of courage. The fact that I've given enough good advice to be recognized as credibly knowledgable while still pissing off enough people in the right places to avoid rising to a position of unquestioned influence, power, and complacency. Oh, and yes-men. I hate yes-men.
To be honest, it's not just the Paladin boards. I'm trying to ween myself off of Allakhazam entirely. There's just no point to it anymore. People here constantly rag on the o-boards, and for good reason; it's alwasy full of ridiculous !@#$, people with victim's complexes calling for buffs or nerfs that don't have any interest in balance, they just want their main's class to be the best at everything.
Are we any better over here? No, we're not. We're just different. In almost any given class forum you can divine an inner clique of dedicated posters that sit in a circle, each one giving a hand-job to the one to the left of him while they pretend to talk about things relevant to their class. In reality, nothing of substance gets said, outsiders are scorned, and no one new can be helped.
The Rogue boards here are the worst and have been that way longer than any other. That particular board is, in my opinion, the most corrupt and decadent on any dedicated WoW class forum online bar none. Thankfully, we're not like them, but we're not any more relavent. At least, we're not like them yet. I hope I've long since moved on before things ever get that bad anywhere else.
I'd love to post here, but I think it's in my best interest to just stay out of this debate. Besides, I've already let my opinion be known enough times that people could get an idea what I would say anyway.
Gaudion wrote:
I consider the color of my name to be my badge of courage.
That's my "wow, you're an idiot" quote of the day. Cheers.
Gaudion wrote:
The Rogue boards here are the worst and have been that way longer than any other. That particular board is, in my opinion, the most corrupt and decadent on any dedicated WoW class forum online bar none. Thankfully, we're not like them, but we're not any more relavent. At least, we're not like them yet. I hope I've long since moved on before things ever get that bad anywhere else.
aint that the truth. main difference there though is the rogue forum is heavy on PvP discussion, and with that you get a lot more anger, QQ and elitism whereas here the only heavy PvPers i can think of are tommyguns and me (but im done cuz i QQ). Kinda like comparing a PvE server realm forum to a PvP server realm forum. Pretty different things.
The PvE discussions on the rogue forum are pretty good, and from people who actually have experienced end game content where as here, the most experienced people are holy pallys it seems. And playing a holy pally isnt exactly rocket science, thusly not requiring much discussion.
I mean do we have any non holy pallies in BT even?
Gaudion wrote:
It's been so long that I can't even remember if you were around for it, Celcio, but is there anyone here beyond maybe tommyguns or Maulgak that remembers my Paladin FAQ? Hoo boy...
I had just started lurking over here when that went down. Exciting times! Thinking back I'm sorta surprised that I posted after witnessing that. Quote:
Oh, and yes-men. I hate yes-men.
I'd agree with you here, but you understand why I can't.
Been a while since I came to the Pally forums. That this is the first thread that I "read" (read: scan) does not bode well.
Celcio wrote:
Mazra wrote:
And I see this happening more and more now.
Yeah I think I responded here but in case you didn't see it.
You missed a small piece of text. I know I broke it up into many sentences, but that has to do with not choking to death while trying to read a paragraph with no punctuation, etc.
Mazra wrote:
And I see this happening more and more now. Not just here, but also on the other boards. The amount of end-game raiders and Arena fighters is increasing tenfold. The veterans are all up there and have been there for so long they've forgotten that other players might not share their goals in the game.
There we go. I even highlighted the important parts.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
KTurner wrote:
And playing a holy pally isnt exactly rocket science, thusly not requiring much discussion.
No, but there is still room for interesting debates and discussions and room for learning new things, like my focus thread.
KTurner wrote:
I mean do we have any non holy pallies in BT even?
Actually, yeah. Guilds often have 1 protection paladin (or in our case one holy that respecs to prot when we need it) and paladins that have ever piece of gear in the game they could ever want occasionally go ret just for something else to do. However in those situations the dps, tanking, and healing are so geared that their change to ret makes absolutely no difference. The guilds could 24 man all the content anyway.
Dilbrt wrote:
KTurner wrote:
And playing a holy pally isnt exactly rocket science, thusly not requiring much discussion.
No, but there is still room for interesting debates and discussions and room for learning new things, like my focus thread.
KTurner wrote:
I mean do we have any non holy pallies in BT even?
Actually, yeah. Guilds often have 1 protection paladin (or in our case one holy that respecs to prot when we need it) and paladins that have ever piece of gear in the game they could ever want occasionally go ret just for something else to do. However in those situations the dps, tanking, and healing are so geared that their change to ret makes absolutely no difference. The guilds could 24 man all the content anyway.
Im aware of that. >_> we=this pally forum. The only people in this forum i know that are actual raiders (and actively contribute) are you and bodh. both of which are holy if im not mistaken.
RPZip wrote:
Gaudion wrote:
I consider the color of my name to be my badge of courage.
That's my "wow, you're an idiot" quote of the day. Cheers.
You went through this entire thread and that was the best you could do? I'm sincerely disappointed. I've come to expect better from you.
KTurner wrote:
Im aware of that. >_> we=this pally forum. The only people in this forum i know that are actual raiders (and actively contribute) are you and bodh. both of which are holy if im not mistaken.
We're not the only raiders, heck anyone that has done a pug kara could technically classify themselves as a raider and contribute. But, yes, I think bod and I are the only paladins in BT/Hyjal that troll these forums. I just love people that act like they know what they're talking about and then you see the furthest they've ever gotten was Trashreaver. It really does make my day.
Dilbrt wrote:
KTurner wrote:
Im aware of that. >_> we=this pally forum. The only people in this forum i know that are actual raiders (and actively contribute) are you and bodh. both of which are holy if im not mistaken.
We're not the only raiders, heck anyone that has done a pug kara could technically classify themselves as a raider and contribute. But, yes, I think bod and I are the only paladins in BT/Hyjal that troll these forums. I just love people that act like they know what they're talking about and then you see the furthest they've ever gotten was Trashreaver. It really does make my day.
exactly my point.
Ew at this thread. Let me qualify that by reminding people Bodhi~dramaqueen~sattva just said "ew at this thread".
I've been posting on Alla's longer than anyone here (with the exception of RPzip). Forums go up, they go down, their moods are as fickle as a pregnant womans appetite.
Beyond that the thread has gone off on too many tangents for me to address all the things I would like. So lawl ret.
Edited, Jan 30th 2008 6:17pm by bodhisattva
I've been posting on Alla's longer than anyone here (with the exception of RPzip). Forums go up, they go down, their moods are as fickle as a pregnant womans appetite.
Beyond that the thread has gone off on too many tangents for me to address all the things I would like. So lawl ret.
Edited, Jan 30th 2008 6:17pm by bodhisattva
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Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra wrote:
Yeah, I am one of those Hyjal/BT snobs they were talking bout.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
There's actually a flowchart that would make a great visual aid, but I'm too lazy to go find it.
I been off the forum for a bit since my last look at this thread, but wanted to point out to Celcio this: does this too mean that said flowchart does not exist, because he refuses to go find it? By your logic (me not wanting to fill a post with "proof" you seek) I would say yes.
*walks in, looks around*
Good gravy, it's like I'm back in high school again!
um...yeah, Prot rocks. Not going to change it. That's why I rolled a pally. Guess I'll just make do the best I can. I don't care if the uber-1337 raiders spec holy, I'm sticking with what I enjoy.
FWIW, the above has nothing to do with this thread, I just felt like joining the drama-fest.
*walks off to read something else*
Good gravy, it's like I'm back in high school again!
um...yeah, Prot rocks. Not going to change it. That's why I rolled a pally. Guess I'll just make do the best I can. I don't care if the uber-1337 raiders spec holy, I'm sticking with what I enjoy.
FWIW, the above has nothing to do with this thread, I just felt like joining the drama-fest.
*walks off to read something else*
Gaudion wrote:
RPZip wrote:
Gaudion wrote:
I consider the color of my name to be my badge of courage.
That's my "wow, you're an idiot" quote of the day. Cheers.
You went through this entire thread and that was the best you could do? I'm sincerely disappointed. I've come to expect better from you.
There wasn't a lot else in the thread worth commenting on, and yours was one of the most recent posts. The "zomg, my karma is proof of X, Y or Z" line has been retarded since day one.
"I'm fighting DA MAN, so my karma is TEH CRAP!!"
"People loves me, so i iz GOOROO!"
"I gives teh helpful advice, so I iz SAYGE!"
"I take no crap from nobody, so LOLLOLLOLOLO I DO WUT I WNT!"
Nobody cares.
Cheers!
i haven't been around that long on the fourms here. but i guess i'm a capjack fan just like when i was in warriors fourms lvling my warrior up and reading all i could i was a rpzip fan.
both seemed they knew what they was talking about others backed them up.not to mention:
both seemed to reply to others pretty fast with from what i could tell was sound advice.
i didnt read capjack /rant. just for the fact it said /rant at the top.
i admit i'm sorta lost on what all is going on for the fact i dont have time to read every stupid post. i try to see good ones and help out so peeps who are on here all the time dont have to type same stuff over and over. but seems some stuff is just getting out of line. think i'm gonna be.seems peeps are takeing more stabs at others. wether haveing fan club, or spelling/gramer, or just plan expierance or specs. i know somes in good fun but too many peeps getting offended.
so probaly one of my last post i would like to thank those who have helped me with my warrior/pally information. havent gone to any other fourms tryed thottbot blah 1 post was done.
both seemed they knew what they was talking about others backed them up.not to mention:
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c) I'm almost always on the forums
-The only time I'm not on is basically when I'm asleep or in class. As such, I generally get a lot of first posts in as replies, or I just start replying to everything I see. I try to bring a little humor around occasionally, and I try not to be too mean in my posts.
-The only time I'm not on is basically when I'm asleep or in class. As such, I generally get a lot of first posts in as replies, or I just start replying to everything I see. I try to bring a little humor around occasionally, and I try not to be too mean in my posts.
both seemed to reply to others pretty fast with from what i could tell was sound advice.
i didnt read capjack /rant. just for the fact it said /rant at the top.
i admit i'm sorta lost on what all is going on for the fact i dont have time to read every stupid post. i try to see good ones and help out so peeps who are on here all the time dont have to type same stuff over and over. but seems some stuff is just getting out of line. think i'm gonna be
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trying to ween myself off of Allakhazam entirely
so probaly one of my last post i would like to thank those who have helped me with my warrior/pally information. havent gone to any other fourms tryed thottbot blah 1 post was done.
Gaudion wrote:
In almost any given class forum you can divine an inner clique of dedicated posters that sit in a circle, each one giving a hand-job to the one to the left of him while they pretend to talk about things relevant to their class. In reality, nothing of substance gets said, outsiders are scorned, and no one new can be helped.
I just want you to know that I take offense to this. I spend hours every week answering questions from brand spanking new 1 count posters. Sure, I also spend time being silly, but I spend a lot of time helping folks.
But obviously no one new can get help.
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