I'm currently specced in fire and have read countless threads of how the best mages in pvp are mostly frost and such. I specced with PoM and mostly fire after that.
My question is, is it futile to keep the spec i enjoy and try to pvp with it when it seems to be obsolete? Is fire not as bad for pvp as it's portrayed. If any fire mages out there have figured it out or some frost mages that gave it up, please reply. 'Cause I'm about determined to burn the hell out of something.
Also, any keen macros (i suck at macros, currently) that can give me some sort of edge? Thanks for any and all feedback!
-Dredj
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Fire does a lot of damage, but doesn't cope well with incoming damage.
You'll do fine in battlegrounds, especially with a healer, but in arenas it's like waving a red flag at the enemy.
If they see you're fire, they will kill you first. I've tried it in arena, you can still dodge a lot of the incoming damage by line of sighting and kiting, but it's not as good as frost. I haven't gotten over 1750 with a fire spec anyway.
Since 2.3.2, it's no longer the missing ice block, but the lack of kiting ability (in comparison anyway) that is the downfall to fire specs. You'll spend the majority of your time in pvp CCing one way or another, fire doesn't lend itself to this as well as frost does. The mere fact that your main nuke slows people is a huge boost. And the elemental can dps while you're CCing.
Pom pyro isn't exactly the burst you might think it is. With a decent shatter combo I can do up to 6k damage, which is probably more then you'd get with a pom pyro. I'd either spec dragons breath for the extra interrupt, or AP, to get more damage. I prefer the dragon's breath spec myself.
You'll need a focus macro with polymorph and counterspell macros for your focus target.
One macro for setting your target as a focus target:
/focus
And other macros for focus sheep and cs:
/cast [target=focus] polymorph(rank 1)
/cast [target=focus] counterspell
EDIT: You'd need a UI addon with a focus frame to be able to see him cast, xperl or pitbull are both very good for this purpose.
I hope that helped.
Edited, Jan 29th 2008 2:57pm by Kapot
You'll do fine in battlegrounds, especially with a healer, but in arenas it's like waving a red flag at the enemy.
If they see you're fire, they will kill you first. I've tried it in arena, you can still dodge a lot of the incoming damage by line of sighting and kiting, but it's not as good as frost. I haven't gotten over 1750 with a fire spec anyway.
Since 2.3.2, it's no longer the missing ice block, but the lack of kiting ability (in comparison anyway) that is the downfall to fire specs. You'll spend the majority of your time in pvp CCing one way or another, fire doesn't lend itself to this as well as frost does. The mere fact that your main nuke slows people is a huge boost. And the elemental can dps while you're CCing.
Pom pyro isn't exactly the burst you might think it is. With a decent shatter combo I can do up to 6k damage, which is probably more then you'd get with a pom pyro. I'd either spec dragons breath for the extra interrupt, or AP, to get more damage. I prefer the dragon's breath spec myself.
You'll need a focus macro with polymorph and counterspell macros for your focus target.
One macro for setting your target as a focus target:
/focus
And other macros for focus sheep and cs:
/cast [target=focus] polymorph(rank 1)
/cast [target=focus] counterspell
EDIT: You'd need a UI addon with a focus frame to be able to see him cast, xperl or pitbull are both very good for this purpose.
I hope that helped.
Edited, Jan 29th 2008 2:57pm by Kapot
I pvp as fire 99% of the time, You just have to accept the fact that your gonna die A LOT. Now it is fun as hell when you do accept it and start playing suicide bomber and soften the entire opponents defense. So you teammates can clean up the mess. Arena pvp is different I would not pvp in arena as fire unless on a 5 man, It can be done but just playing a mage is frustrating enough.
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Awesome advice guys, thanks! Yeah as a fire spec I've accepted dying as an inevitability, so it's not the worst thing someone can tell me. With the advice of me still being decent in bg, maybe i can hit AV like crazy (since that's pretty much just a raid boss anyway) and get my bg gladiator set, then maybe...MAYBE respec. Dunno.
oh hey, maybe i'll find a 5v5 arena team that'll accept me :)
-Dredj
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oh hey, maybe i'll find a 5v5 arena team that'll accept me :)
-Dredj
-Maelstrom
5v5 is probably the worst bracket to be anything but frost. It's hard enough keeping up with one or two peoples damage, let along a focused burst of 3 or 4.
I've done it before myself, it's a free win usually.
I'd personally stick to 2v2 if you're playing (with) fire :P.
I've done it before myself, it's a free win usually.
I'd personally stick to 2v2 if you're playing (with) fire :P.
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In my experience proper gear means a lot. everyone hates on the pyros in pvp but if you play right you'll do just as well as anyone. specially when u get the clearcasting from arcane, instpyroblast/fireball/fireblast/nova/fireball=dead sob. not to mention if u use ur trinkets right, be aware though that it isnt without cost, like most people say u do die a lot cuz nobody wants a fire mage criting the **** outta their whole party, but if you can deal with that you will make peoples lives misery. that being said my brother has a pyro mage, if you want to pwn in pvp roll a lock, my afflic lock can take multiple enemies and reduce them rubble not to mention my lil puppy.
I PvP as 41/20/0. as said it great for BG's, so-so in arena, depending on your team mate, and if you get lucky crits (higher ranked team with a **** ton of resil ruin your life :( ) But in BG's im usually top 2 in kills, and actually rarely die. Just play your part, you can choose to suicide bomb, but not suggested unless you've got some decent stam/ arena gear. other wise hide out in the back and nuke away. Your target is usually dead before they realize who's shooting at them :)
bloodoftheraven wrote:
In my experience proper gear means a lot. everyone hates on the pyros in pvp but if you play right you'll do just as well as anyone. specially when u get the clearcasting from arcane, instpyroblast/fireball/fireblast/nova/fireball=dead sob. not to mention if u use ur trinkets right, be aware though that it isnt without cost, like most people say u do die a lot cuz nobody wants a fire mage criting the sh*t outta their whole party, but if you can deal with that you will make peoples lives misery. that being said my brother has a pyro mage, if you want to pwn in pvp roll a lock, my afflic lock can take multiple enemies and reduce them rubble not to mention my lil puppy.
As I stated in another thread, it is possible to do okay with a pom-pyro mage, most likely in BGs, but in an arena where a single death means you aren't respawning you need all the survivability you can get.
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(higher ranked team with a sh*t ton of resil ruin your life :( )
There's your problem as PoM-spec in arena. Teams that in their first arena ever are going to be running 200 resilience, and the good teams will be reducing crit damage by 25%. Which, as PoM/Pyro, imagine you only get about a quarter of a tick of ignite. And if you're AP, then one Silence->Dispel and suddenly you're wasted space.
The only time I've had a problem with a fire mage is when they were geared like crazy - full S2/S3 stacked with full resilience/stamina, had a ton of survivability, and then their teammates both geared for full damage instead of survivability (muta rogue and hunter, iirc, in T5/T6 raiding gear). First time you face off against them you lose, because the instinct is to go for the fire mage, but second time a little CC and more careful LoS and suddenly they're one of the easiest teams to beat.
lsfreak wrote:
Teams that in their first arena ever are going to be running 200 resilience, and the good teams will be reducing crit damage by 25%.
My team has about 63 resilience between all three members(PvE players trying to get some spiffy season 2 weapons).
Anobix wrote:
As I stated in another thread, it is possible to do okay with a pom-pyro mage, most likely in BGs, but in an arena where a single death means you aren't respawning you need all the survivability you can get.
While this is true, there's nothing more satisfying than starting off a fight by Pyro/FB/AE'ing their healadin into the dirt. I can live with dying 5 seconds later, because their healer is dead. I'll trade one healer for one DPS any day of the week in a 5v5.
TheEngine wrote:
Anobix wrote:
As I stated in another thread, it is possible to do okay with a pom-pyro mage, most likely in BGs, but in an arena where a single death means you aren't respawning you need all the survivability you can get.
While this is true, there's nothing more satisfying than starting off a fight by Pyro/FB/AE'ing their healadin into the dirt. I can live with dying 5 seconds later, because their healer is dead. I'll trade one healer for one DPS any day of the week in a 5v5.
in a 5v5 yes, a 2v2 probably not.
fire mages + PvP = Frustration
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My team has about 63 resilience between all three members(PvE players trying to get some spiffy season 2 weapons).
I like that you can chuckle about that. How have you guys been doing? I could just look it up I'm sure but I have about 5 mins before I have to start the drive back home : (
Xiemage wrote:
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My team has about 63 resilience between all three members(PvE players trying to get some spiffy season 2 weapons).
I like that you can chuckle about that. How have you guys been doing? I could just look it up I'm sure but I have about 5 mins before I have to start the drive back home : (
We do about as horribly as you might expect(probably do better if we cared enough to get a little PvP gear from running BGs or if we bothered to respec to PvP specs), but again, as we're PvE'ers, we really don't care. We just reset the team every time it hits about 1250 rating(and it does, because again, PvE gear with PvE specs).
Back during season 1, we kinda cared a little and did do the respec thing one week, and didn't do half bad(won 8 of our 10 games that week on a fresh team).
Not to mention we only manage to do our 10 games in a week once or twice a month.
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