Shadowstep No Daggers?Follow

Well, yeah.

You're still a horrible person.

Wow.. man thats just low.. 8th grade comebacks.. get a life and teach people the right things about rogue builds.

My favorite thing to do on my rogue is to heal instances...Im bandage spec'ed

FTW

lol nelf.

ShS isn't a joke anymore. Shush.

Your "information" is stupid. Stupid as in not factual. I didn't say your opinions were stupid just your info. The facts are that Combat is not a burst dmg build, but rather a steady dmg build, while Shadowstep IS a burst dmg build. Also, Combat is the single best build available when you said otherwise.

Your information is stupid.



Try reading what I wrote again. I was supporting you in the opinion that ShS is far more fun than Combat. The only thing I disagreed with was that you felt the only thing that is being told to people here is that max dmg is the only important thing. I was simply pointing out that ShS is commonly acknowledged as fun.



Once again, your Rogue is not yet 70 so your input on lvl 70 Rogue builds is worthless. Now, the reason it does not "fail" is because pre 70, and even up through heroics, ShS is still a passable build. However, in any sort of PvE beyond that it does severly and extremely "fail".

Even in end game PvP ShS is still only moderately acceptable. I wont say it "fails" for it no longer does. It is by no means anything special however.



OK, let me revise my statement.

"D) Your Rogue is 66. Why the hell would a 70 Rogue want advice from you?"

I could care less if you had 10 lvl 70's. In this context it is only important for you to have a Rogue that is 70. Since you don't your "experiences" are pointless in the context of this thread.

You are right about one thing. Lots of different view points is good. Especially when they all say something similar. That way when someone puts forth fallacious information like you did, they can confidently ignore it.



Read the original post again. The OP didn't ask for opinions. He asked for viable builds. No one else was giving opinions; we were giving facts.

And to finish up here:

The OP, pwnorama, said:



Are you an expert on the Rogue class?
Thats what I thought.

Sit down, shut up, learn to read.

ShS is still a laughable build, if you want to argue CC, survivability with any regards to DPS and the ability to disrupt, bring a damn Frost Mage instead what good is a Rogue that puts out the same ****** DPS as the Survival Hunter at least the latter brings some scalable buff to the raid and the Frost Mage has more survivability and more CC than a Rogue as defined by you.

Prep, Premed are both underpowered as hell in their talent point slots you know why? Because they don't and haven't scaled from 60 to 70, yeah? Ever think about that? And its been stated in this forum over and over again, NO ONE CARES ABOUT WHAT SPEC YOU ARE IN BGs, I did well in BGs a while back with a Combat Daggers build and 7k HP and this is with me clicking for my stealth. BGs can drown out poor individual play with good teamwork, Arenas do and can not.

I have no problem with the Sub tree or even deep Sub builds. What really annoys me and lot of the regulars here is that a lot of the posters in this thread only played Sub mostly in their Rogues, some have tried out Combat/Mut and didn't like it and went back. Thats fine, you can present your views on Subtlety, but don't comment about Combat/Mut if you have no ******* clue beyond the 2 weeks that you were specced in it. For those of us that have played the game and the class longer, we have tried all of the builds for extensive periods; I grinded to 70 and honor grinded with a Hemo spec.

And the fact that anyone thinks Combat is CD reliant is just silly, if you really know and understand how to play deep Subtlety, then you know that spec's strategies centers around your Prep CD.

Oh and I have to quote this for good measure:



Yeah Seal Fate Swords/Daggers/Maces (Do you even know about these builds?) are "viable" too, lets see how that works out for you.

When your opinion is wrong, its just wrong, don't even bother trying to justify it.

And your argument regarding ShS being "more fun" can easily be flipped in the sense I find Combat "more fun" because I not busy sucking **** in Arenas and Raids.

"Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics; even if you win you are still retarded."

No, it's not laughable, unless you're retarded. Some of the most talented rogues in the world right now are toying with ShS builds, because paired with the right team it can ANNIHILATE people.

"Zomg it has less DPS!"

Yes. So does the entire rogue class (PvP wise).

I'm not saying that ShS is the best build -there is no such thing, at the moment- but it is capable of some pretty ridonkulous ownage.

Rogue's aren't in 2.2 anymore. Think beyond the patch.

PTR REALM. ME SHADOWSTEP, YOU WHATEVER. NAO!!!

L2Levity.
Noob.

Not sure what you mean by this, but I have seen many self made builds to the tune of 24 / 7 / 30 and the rogue is MH dagger OH sword.

The mathematics (errr arithmetic) and ratings have well proved the best builds and weapons. You are free to close your eyes and click over your talents 61 times, but don't come crying here when you can't break 1300.

More importantly, in this game, gear > skill.

I'm all for reading posts about what you "think". Open your mind to other possibilities, is what I'm saying.

And you can leave the tool in the shed, cockbite.

Edited, Feb 1st 2008 3:16pm by Willowthorn