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#1 Jan 27 2008 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
So there I am, nice fresh lvl 70 priest and I think hey I'm holy/disc specced, let's go see what it's like healing in AV. So I wander in about half way through and start healing. I heal everything in sight that's about to die. Anyway cut a long story short we arrive at the end of the BG and as usual Horde won. This is my first battleground and following ones were't any better/

But here's the thing. I arrived HALF way through and I'm top of the Heal board. I mean TOP, higher than horde, and then below theres 5 or 6 horde players who have healed nearly as well as me, and then below them some 100,000 heal points behind me there's an alliance healer with 50k of healing done.

People I gotta say if u can heal in AV it's gonna help, it's gonna help so much. I threw a greater heal and a flash heal at a warrior taking on 3 horde and he won, he sure as hell wouldn't have if I hadn't healed him.

Is there an alliance policy or rule somewhere that says "Thou Shalt NOT heal in a BG"?

There we go there's my rant.
#2 Jan 27 2008 at 6:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Lack of healing is the number 1 reason why Alliance loses most battlegrounds. Its not just priest, druids, shaman and pallies don't heal either. My main is a rogue and I've played hundreds (possibly thousands) of AV's. I very rarely receive a heal. Maybe once every ten games.

On my priest alt I feel like I can single handed turn the tide of events and turn a loss into a win in BG's.

Yes, we need more Alliance healing classes healing instead of trying to DPS in BG's.
#3 Jan 27 2008 at 11:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I cannot count the number of times me dropping out of shadowform to heal has won us a battleground. Healing is what makes a difficult bg close, and a close bg a win.
And it's not just Alliance. It really depends on who ends up in the BG. There's times that I, in my shadow gear, do at least several tens of thousands healing more than the next person, and in smaller BG's I'm often one of maybe two people actively healing.
#4 Jan 28 2008 at 12:39 AM Rating: Decent
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If I get the chance and another healer is willing, since I usually play a holy paladin and can take a beating. I'll try and get the other healer to stay back and heal me while I heal the front lines. That way when the horde spot me healing and try to take me down i'll last longer, the people i'm healing get time to take them down and the healer on me hopefully gets missed. But thats very rare and I just make myself a very big target, not that I care as long I can keep throwing heals out before I go. I have always played a healing class apart from my hunter/lock and healed since I think its the best thing I can do.
#5 Jan 28 2008 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I always heal (almost exclusively) and when people notice it they usually rally around you and start defending you too. Anymore I just do Premades and they are careful to form the raid group with the right ratio of healers, tanks, and dps. And with these organized teams we win every time by a landslide. Khadgar premade on Stormstrike.

By healing, I get way more kills/honor credit than if I was out trying to solo things.

Edited, Jan 28th 2008 1:13pm by Velluna
#6 Jan 28 2008 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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The fact is, I can't stand playing my warrior in battlegrounds anymore. We lose too often. On more healer makes SO much difference than one more DPS. Plus, warriors are as dependent as ever on their healers, and the shortage thereof is crippling.
#7 Jan 29 2008 at 4:30 AM Rating: Decent
Alot of the times it's luck of the draw. 80% of the AVs I go in there are plenty of healers on alliance side. A few times there's been almost too many healers.I also noticed when one healer gets going..others try to compete and start healing more.
#8 Feb 01 2008 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I decided I'm not gonna do daily BG's anymore unless it's AV. Alliance simply cannot win AB, WSG, or EotS. After 2 days of playing 11 AB's before finally winning it's simply not worth the effort. It's gotten to point where alliance on my server is forming AB groups to lose on purpose, just to get marks faster.

/rant off

But if we were to heal more we would win more. Horde always have healers there helping, that is why 3 horde can take out 5 alliance, alliance rarely have heals, but I've noticed when we do we usually win.
#9 Feb 01 2008 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
You're correct but it goes further. When do you ever see 5 alliance together? Horde runs in packs and swarms on any attacker
#10 Feb 06 2008 at 1:16 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah I've noticed how well protected I've become. I've done about 40 AV's since my last post, and I've only been beaten to the top of the healer board once. Let me say it now, I am REALLY grateful to the handfull of tanks and hunters that now stand around me the minute they see me healing. I've also noticed I'm infectious, they see me healing and now I start seeing a pally and a shaman, or maybe a druid joining me.

I'm not going to put it down to my characters presence in the BG but I've noticed that we're not losing the BG's I'm in as heavily, I mean horde used to win with 400+ reinforcements left every time, now there might be 50 in it and we've won a few of them, something that was virtually unheard off on the Nagrand server.

So one last parting word GO HEALERS!
#11 Feb 06 2008 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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I might roll back to the darkside if shadow priests ever get fixed, but I've been keeping horde alive for the past 2 seasons with glee.
#12 Feb 06 2008 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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The problem with my battlegroup is that they don't see the importance of healers, while the opposite faction does. I save the lives of my fellow fighters, but they don't save me. To make things worse the other faction sees me as the biggest threat (which they should) and I end up dead more often then others. And when there is an enemy healer wiggling it's fingers in the background, my teammates just keep hitting the DPS'rs who are getting heals and not seem to wonder why the enemy doesn't die.
Also, people run away from me!! I want to heal you, STAY! No? Run away? Fine, no heals for you (and then they start crying "hey, no heals???") *this concerns the casting time of heals.
And... people don't know what Spirit of Redemption is. Yeah, I just died and turned into a giant angel for no particular reason, just stay as far away from me as you possibly can (sarcasm)
Another thing, renew is also a heal, stop begging for heals while you are regaining health.
#13 Feb 06 2008 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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churler wrote:
I might roll back to the darkside if shadow priests ever get fixed


We're broken? When did this happen?
#14 Feb 06 2008 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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LOL, I read this and thought, I'll take my healing classes to WSG (crappy quest of the day) and heal instead of DPS. Well, my group needs some serious help on the alliance side. I spent most of my time corpse running, then running to catch up to the willy nilly alliance players. What a waste of time. I got no kills, but did top the healing charts for the alliance. Horde healers were also way up there.

We lost all of the matches. I finally just picked two hunters to stick with. At least as a priest I can cast renew on the run. On my shaman, I have to stand still = insta target = dead healer.

Will have to try a premade next time.
#15 Feb 06 2008 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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Azzwurms wrote:
churler wrote:
I might roll back to the darkside if shadow priests ever get fixed


We're broken? When did this happen?


For arena we are. Spriests can dish out a lot of damage if they're left alone, but they have horrible spell pushback and no kiting tools.
#16 Feb 06 2008 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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We're broken? When did this happen?

Well-geared, well-played, organized spriest groups - either priest/rogue or priest/rogue/druid - might hit 1650 if they're really ******* good. A druid and warrior with zero communication and S1 gear will do better than that.
#17 Feb 06 2008 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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Well, that's not quite right, there are a couple of s3 spriests at like 2300 right now, but they are few and far between.

Mayb is one.
#18 Feb 07 2008 at 2:22 AM Rating: Decent
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At time I used to play a lot AV, I was healing a lot, there was even few av´s I had 0(!) damage done and healing around..500k or something. It was kinda fun and lotta different than ive got used as huntah. Killing blows was usually 0-3 and kills.. Not sure if Im talking something insane, but 300+ every time I started from beginning. I was rarely defending, just went with the big wave to place where people was getting killed most, I think I saved few.

This may seem funny.. but when enter AV, I adjust my UI again for.. kinda fill my screen with hp bars of everyone, I hardly see anything else, so if someone wants to kill me and no one attempts to stop it, I likely die as I was just like a robot (made of cloth) that stands back trying to prevent people dying around..

Want to read more? No need to, I will just write anyway..

So,, filling screen with all the bars makes moving bit difficult sometimes, alt+Z(or was it X) when riding somewhere.. There was some fun parts too, kinda interrealmical (cute word) friendships, I started to hang often with one rogue (From Karazhan realm, hope you reading this :D) who was quite good killin people, especially as he was close to me and got heals.

And.. greetings to few people I remember from there..
Catr-Hellfire (that lovely shadowpriest dropping form to heal and gettin killed by rogue)
Mordrid-Sha'Tar (I never had that fun in bg with anyone, thanks)

70-belf priest from Sha'Tar


#19 Feb 07 2008 at 9:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Most people seem to want to dps and not defend and/or heal. It's not uncommon for me as a shadowpriest to be in both the top 5 damage dealers and healers for every AV. It's situational. When we're in a big pack picking off singles and doubles of alliance I'm in shadowform. When the fighting gets a bit more intense I drop shadow, stand back and lob heals.
#20 Feb 08 2008 at 3:09 AM Rating: Good
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Healing in BG's is a good thing and a big support to your faction. Without it, you're playing with a handicap.

You can still lose of course, for after all it's a team effort and one healer can't really turn the table in AV unless he picks exactly the right people to support. In WSG and AB I'd say a healer is invaluable. I always feel much more confident about a bg when I see we have a healing specced char among us.

A bad thing tho, is when a healer is doing his/her best to keep the others alive, while the others are too fixated on HK's to see their healer being ganked by two enemies... happens the most in WSG in my battlegroup.
It's just sad. It's like not giving cover to your medic who's trying to save the life of one of your buddies under fire.

I can only say: keep healing! You're doing great :)
#21 Feb 08 2008 at 6:13 AM Rating: Good
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When the DPS'rs are in combat and the healer is getting "ganked" by two or more enemies, they seem to look at that healer and think: "Oh, they are attacking the healer which means they aren't attacking me which means I will live longer."
#22 Feb 08 2008 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Healbotting is pretty much all I ever do in BGs. I usually do it in my dps gear as I have more mana and hp but still, those heals make a huge difference if I'm left alone. Recently I was in an eots and 3 of us were defending BE tower (myself as a priest, a rogue and a warrior). 5 or 6 allies come strolling up and while it wasn't pretty, they lost thanks to heals I was throwing out. It annoys me when people that can heal don't even when the battle is over. Many times on my hunter have I died from dots because a druid won't shift out of cat form to toss a hot my way.
#23 Feb 08 2008 at 6:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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jwhx wrote:
Healbotting is pretty much all I ever do in BGs. I usually do it in my dps gear as I have more mana and hp but still, those heals make a huge difference if I'm left alone. Recently I was in an eots and 3 of us were defending BE tower (myself as a priest, a rogue and a warrior). 5 or 6 allies come strolling up and while it wasn't pretty, they lost thanks to heals I was throwing out. It annoys me when people that can heal don't even when the battle is over. Many times on my hunter have I died from dots because a druid won't shift out of cat form to toss a hot my way.


There's a flip side to that. The other day I had a rogue standing beside me after a long drawn out fight. I was completely oom and and just sat down to get a drink to get my mana back. The rogue was at half hp and had no dots on him. He spammed me asking him for heals and complained when I told him to use a bandage. He eventually shut up when I told him to look at the killboard and see how much I'd healed.

I've even taken lately to using bandages instead of mana to heal after fights during pve/pvp fights. It's just good mana management. Besides, what am I going to do with all that cloth anyway? :)
#24 Feb 12 2008 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
Hehe I'm glad this thread got so much attention. I do notice there's a large number of replies from horde players and suspiciously few from alliance :)

Ok Alliance players I'll say it again, cos it's fun. Heal!!

I challenge all those alliance healers in the same BG's as me to beat my healing, cos I'm not PVP specced, I'm not a great healer, but come on I've been top of the heal board for the alliance for quite some time, and I'm even beating the horde now... which makes me so proud.

And to any non healer visiting this thread... healers can't heal when they're dead and guess what I bet the healer will work on keeping u alive if u are trying to do the same for them.

#25 Feb 13 2008 at 1:14 AM Rating: Decent
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I must say that I heal at Alliance and the few times that I do get outhealed, it is mostly a horde and I respect them for that. It is also often another priest that outheals me and then followed by druids and pallies (aren't there any shammies healing?).
#26 Feb 13 2008 at 2:41 AM Rating: Decent
I have to admit in my guild we have a shammy and when he comes into AV with me he outheals me by about 100k. But then he's got all the lovely PVP gear and stuff. But it's the two of us at the top when that happens. I love ya all.
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