First time in kara and this gear worked for meFollow

IMO trash damage means nothing. If your struggling on trash then boss will whoop you.

Boss damage is the only stat a raid leader should care about unless someone is grossly under DPSing the trash. So your DPS position on the chart is going to be very skewed cause of the Seed, and really doesnt depict your actual usefulness.

But, I would say your gear is a good start to dpsing in kara.

Actually I out DPS'd everyone on bosses and we wiped 2x on moroes due to the hunter having problems trapping and then wiped 1x on R&J due to them being too close to one another. We cleared the opera event and then up to the back door for entry in tonight. No, I do not keep my dmg meter up while I'm in there ... I simply checked it before a boss fight to save/reset it to see how everyone had done up to that point. and totaled everything up in the end.

I didn't have very many resists at all except for the occasional few on the bosses but nothing that was too mana-efficient. I know how to play my class and was making this to help ppl.

I don't suffer from having other jobs ... i can effectively keep a mob CC'd with fear or seduced or banish w/o sacraficing much dps at all. and if you are having to watch yourself for "ease" of the healers then you are doing something wrong. I don't see how you could have required more "heals" by doing what you are supposed to.

I do care about dps when I'm in there because I don't want ppl gimping the grp from progressing. I know how to play my class the others should as well. I do like keeping tabs on the DPS from when we reach a new boss/after the boss because you need to be sure you aren't "carrying" ppl throughout the whole raid.

how many times we wiped ect has nothing to do with "gear check" (which is what this was meant for) as far as it related to me ... that has to do with grp makeup, bad heals, communication, planning, or tanking.


... i never pulled aggro inside the raid. if you are pulling aggro you should get your cloak enchanted, have pally buffs, or learn to use your soulshatter ... or more than likely .. get a better tank/let him build more aggro.

so if you are having those problems I'd say I'm glad I don't have ppl like that in my guild/raid?

This was my first venture into Kara as well as 7/10 of the grp members (1 healer which it was his first time as resto-normall feral/1dps rogue/1MT war that came down from our grp 1 to lead)


Edited, Jan 27th 2008 2:42pm by Burnsey

i didn't set myself as an example b/c i topped DPS ... i stated that it was mainly due to seed to begin with. I did out dps ppl on the bosses and i did stay alive. who do you suggest being an example then b/c i don't currently see any on the forums for someone to directly look at?

The Relevance of this thread is really not good anyway.

The gear someone needs to get into kara is subject to change all the time. I was horrible gear wise when I first started Kara. However my friends from back in the Pre-TBC days where all in SSC and I got walked through in greens.

However, in my current guild I like to set some gear standards for a majority of people. If I have my normal group of people then I like to add one or two undergeared players to our group.

I think for a Warlock it is pretty easy to know a starting point. I would say that 700-800 Shadow Damage (with fel armor) is a good number. I was holding my own in gruul and mag with around 850 self buffed. Hit rating is important but Kara bosses are not too bad on resists.

It is easy to get to these numbers. With Badge Gear and the FSW that number is very simple.

I dont think the OP was stroking his Epeen at all. For the most part in kara a lock is measured by his damage output. Just thinking over the fights in my mind there are not too many times that i have to do anything except melt face.

1. Banishing Maiden Trash
2. Fearing Roar (although there are other methods)
3. SoC on Illihoof
4. The one pull where you banish a imp
5. And of course raid leading all the fights and pulls (this is not every lock)
6. Almost forgot the elementals on shade.

So there is not much other than damage output. If you cannot put out good damage in Kara as a lock then you should be fired.

Meters can still be important, gear does not equal max dps. You can see who's underperforming hard (ie: the one's your dragging through) and tell them to read about their class.

Many people might be geared up but don't know efficient dps cycles. I've seen these people from non heroics to late SSC/TK and I'm sure they exist in T6 but by then most guilds min/max so hard those people get cut out of raid slots. It's not hard to know you're classes dps rotation, but you'd be surprised how many people don't know.

Of course theres gimmick fights (you on curator + illhoof for instance, of course your dps will be low in AR, of course it will be high spamming seeds on illhoof). But on tank n spank fights that equally favor everyone in the raid, thats a good time to judge people's dps performance.

Prince is a bad one, melee have to run out too much, spite is a gimmick fight (you'll do massive DPS in the green beam). Moroes is actually a good one but cut the trappers a wee bit of slack. Gruul is another good one though it slightly favors ranged and particularly affliction locks.