Cloth drops taken awayFollow

Don't you just hate it when finally that nice cloth item drops which you've been waiting for and a (resto)druid or shaman, or even worse a Holy Pally wins it. Seriously, pallies...you guys can wear PLATE. These so called clothadins should know that there is plategear thats better for them.
I just mean, we priests only get to wear cloth and nothing else. Please give us that when we need it. Oh, and I don't mind losing a roll to a mage or lock, but I guess that goes the same for them.
Worse yet, huntards who roll on cloth. At these moments I would like to jump through the screen, come out of the huntards screen and strangle them with my bare hands(so much anger).
What are your thoughts on this? Does this happen to you often? Are you as frustrated as I am?

Edited, Jan 27th 2008 6:21am by mcfreckle

The annoying part about it is that healing plate can drop which they have exclusive rights to, but that many paladins feel they should have a chance on the cloth, too.

This pretty much goes away if your guild is mature enough to reach deep end-game content. But, at first, everyone is pretty short-sighted about it.

Levelling a druid in the 60s to 70, I just often found that the best healing gear for a long time is at least half cloth. Believe me, I ran certain instance so many time to finally get blue leather healing gear (moonglade set) that I could not have healed without cloth items (often also cloth quest rewards...)

Paladins need +spell crit, Priests need spirit and mp5.

I really dont know if Paladins are that happy with our spirit gear. But, yeah i crappy equipped paladin may find a upgrade in a cloth drop.

I wanted to point out some inconsistencies in both of your arguments about "people taking 'your' cloth items"...

First, let me say I feel your pain. When you get a good gear upgrade drop while playing in a party it can be one of the little things that make your evening/party. Conversely, when you have several items drop and you lose the roll repeatedly even fairly, it can be frustrating. Add to that, someone who either CLEARLY cannot use the item or simply rolls against you out of greed, because they can use it too {but won't likely do so} -or because they have an alt, have an enchanter that DE's, etc., etc. - then it can make you quite upset in a hurry and ruin your night/party.

Now as to the original poster's extreme anger at "Huntards" who roll against them or generally others for what they feel is theirs by right...and to the person who posted below that person agreeing that they "Hate Hunters" also for rolling on cloth items....

To the original poster:

My main is a "Huntard" as you put it. In all the parties I have been in, it has been my experience that it is NOT Hunters who deserve this reputation. I'll not mention a class, because that's not important. It boils down to who you are playing with and what kind of a person they are, not what class they are playing. MANY times I have played with people from guilds I had heard good things about, only to notice that they need-rolled on every single drop regardless of what the item was.

The bottom line is, you have a choice. You can explain calmly and intelligently about fair-rolling as we all know it and see if that works out. If not, you can leave the party and let them reap the downside of playing greedy. That's what I do. I mention to the person about fair-play regarding loot. they get one more chance, then I tell the party leader that if they don't address the situation and fix it, I'm going to have to leave the party; usually that works. If not I leave the party, Wave farewell and find another one.

To the person who posted below the O.P.:

I wanted to point out that in the one case, you made allowances for the Plate-wearer to fairly roll against the cloth-only armor wearer, and then yet expressed outrage against the "...Hunters who roll on cloth...." Once again, what is it with Hunter's being the defacto choice for anger even in situations where there is clearly someone doing the very same thing they are being ridiculed for? I'll have to say, though I NEVER roll against a cloth wearer for anything, there ARE cloth items that dropped I wouldn't mind using in certain specific situations due to the CRAZY stat-boosts some cloth items have, versus the LAME stuff that Hunter's get usually. {That is agreed on by the SUPREME HUNTARD CONTROL-COUNSEL that we are ALLOWED to roll on that is}

Hunters can use so many different items and so many items when used in SPECIFIC situations, can help them play a much more effective game. I can see where PLAYERS who are greedy and thoughtless could abuse this and cause ire in any situation. But BELIEVE me....Hunter's are not deserving of being singled out. It just got popular to do so long ago and now it's like every one's favorite joke.

FYI, you MAY think my opinion is biased, but as I said, my MAIN is a Hunter. I also have a Warrior, a Paladin, a Warlock, and a Priest, so I have been exposed to various party-dynamics. I am NOT being biased FOR hunters. I am AGAINST greedy and unfair play....that's all.



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If I'm the group's healer and a piece of healing gear drops and its better than what I'm using, I roll on it. When I first got into kara, I had a mix of cloth, leather, mail, and plate. I had the best gear I could get my hands on. Not every piece of plate is the best piece of gear for a paladin. Heck, I even wrote a complete pre-kara healing guide and I include mail and a cloth gloves as valid options for pre-kara gear. Just because we CAN use plate it doesn't mean we're limited to it.

Now if the paladin is a tank or worse, ret, and rolls and beats you on a piece of cloth gear then I can understand you. However when I was leveling as ret, nearly every time I got in a group they asked me to heal. I don't know about you, but strength and melee crit gear doesn't exactly help my heals. While I was leveling, there was no plate I could wear that benefited my healing, so I ended up wearing cloth.

Paladins actually need mp5 too. Feel free to put the beatdown on a paladin wanting spirit gear, though. Unless the rest of the stats are that clear of an upgrade.

Pallies - healing, crit, mp5
Shammies - healing, mp5, crit at T5
Druids - healing, spirit, mp5
Priests - healing, spirit, mp5

Notice a pattern? When an item has healing and mp5, everyone might need it, depending on what they have and what's available. Pre-2.3, for example, the cloth healing/mp5/spirit boots from Shade were one of the best ones for shammies.

EDIT: Directed at Principe, saying that only a "crappy-equipped" pally would find use in cloth gear.

Edited, Jan 29th 2008 9:19am by lsfreak

mp5 = mana per 5 = mana regened every 5 seconds. It's actually a slight bit more complicated than that, but that's basically how it works.

Yea, I hate ppl who need roll on gear they can't possibly use for their current toon if somebody else in the group can use it now.

I pass on everything I can't use. I don't need items cluttering up my bag space just to have to sell them later. I'm a miner/JC, so can make plenty of money.

If it's cloth gear that I and any other cloth wearers can use, I ask if they need it. I'll let somebody else take it, cause I know I can come back and get it later. Priests are always wanted for instances.


Just my 2 coppers worth.

Well before end game content, the better spell damage/healing items are on cloth and I think its ok for healers to roll on it even if they can wear better armor. But it really shouldn't be that big a problem since you can only do 5-man dungeons and there should only be 1 healer in the group that needs it. If your specced for healing you should get first priority.

Now for end game content like 10-mans and 25-man raids, cloth SHOULD go to clothies unless none of them need it. Each class do have the healing stats on there armor proficiency and the stats that they need. For example, if a cloth healing item drops and both a priest and pally need it, give it to the priest. Why? Because even if the pally gets it he will replace it with same level gear just a different armor proficiency while raiding at the same level content as a priest will have to go for that item only. Of course if the priest doesn't need the item, why let it go to waste.