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#1 Jan 26 2008 at 7:04 PM Rating: Default

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We have information in the works, but I'd caution people that it's not going to be today or even Monday, but we have plans and are working to put things together that will hopefully make the wait worthwhile for warriors.
I'd also caution people about getting their expectations up in regard to "sweeping class changes", except for warriors. Again, we have many things in the works and a definite plan of action for warriors that we will share with you all more as we progress.
As always, I'll remind people that if we don't post patch notes, they aren't the real deal. We create them, we post them, we make them reality. Don't supplant someone's fantasy patch notes for the real ones in your heads. It will only end in tears on so many fronts, unless aforementioned buffs focus on the warrior class in which we'll seriously consider implementing them.

We know things... things that will make warriors squeal in delight...
Ok, maybe not actually squeal in delight, but there are definitely warrior buffs in 2.4 and we feel there are some great new moves for warriors coming your way.
I don't want to raise any expectations beyond what they should be at, but there is more than one thing that I'm looking forward to for my warrior. Take it for what it's worth.
*No, I'm not pinning myself down to any specific date for an information release. Sorry!

Tell me I'm lying.

OT: I scored the national average when I took my practice MCAT. Since this is pre-studying and I still have 4 months till the actual test, things look very very good for me!

Edit: Added special little bolded areas for Fletus and anyone who else who apparently can't figure out this is fake.

Edit: For those who still can't figure out I also added another link going straight to the blue's notes: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4200511079&postId=42238524334&sid=1#34

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To keep this forum relevant to the current or upcoming version on the PTRs, all old threads have been removed. This will be done soon after each patch test cycle is completed and the patch is applied to the regular realms.
Informational sticky threads will be reposted after each forum wipe, and as new information about the current or upcoming patch becomes available it will be added in this forum.

They're coming...

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Some 2.4 notes are up.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/

Nothing for the rogues, one bug fix for warriors and one buff. Not enough to say "I'm right" yet, but if the trend continues then well...

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Patch notes are up. Two things of great consequence: Hamstring is now subject to DR and Sap no longer counts as an incapacitate. Does this mean wars can be sapped?

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Misread that, Improved hamstring is subject to DR. So pretty much the only real pvp buff that we got (that I'm not fully sure if we actually got it yet) is we might be able to sap warriors. Although they aren't nerfs, I'd hardly call any of the changes listed "sweeping class changes" (you can view the full patch notes in the main forum).

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#2 Jan 26 2008 at 7:13 PM Rating: Excellent

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Buffs for the warrior class don't necessarily mean PVP buffs.

From what I understand, warrior PVE DPS got a decent nerf in 2.3 with the Death Wish move. Maybe these will be some deep fury buffs to offset that and not affect PVP at all.

Maybe they will be buffs to prot solo grinding, maybe they will be buffs to tanking.

At this point I'm not gonna get my hopes up for my warrior, or dashed for my rogue until more concrete information is released.

And Shao, you don't even play WoW anymore, why do you even care?

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#3 Jan 26 2008 at 7:32 PM Rating: Default

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Cause it's funny.

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And it doesn't matter if warriors "suck" at pve (which they don't, they're still the best tanks): the warrior class should not receive any buffs in the next patch. They're on the top of the food chain in pvp and certainly aren't a "useless" pve class, as you basically have to have a tank or you're dead, and warriors are the only class that can do this with a shield and without a mana bar.

Despite this, I will go ahead and bet now that the warrior class will receive a buff in at least three areas come 2.4.

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#4 Jan 26 2008 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good

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Sweeping changes don't necessarily mean good changes for the class Smiley: rolleyes

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#5 Jan 27 2008 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent

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sorry, didn't get the "joke"

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#6 Jan 27 2008 at 9:28 AM Rating: Excellent

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Sarcasm aside, all the post really said was that they won't be sweeping class changes but rather small tiny changes.

While it's good to see Blizzard doesn't intend to go at it swinging and that they'll take their time and be slow and deliberate, it also means we're looking into a slow balancing process. Big changes needs to happen for proper balance to happen, and it'll take a while to get their with baby step.

That being said Shao, while Warriors have only received token nerfs in the last few patches, they also haven't received any major buffs. I highly doubt Blizzard's going to go ahead and give them even more power.

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#7 Jan 27 2008 at 9:29 AM Rating: Decent

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You ARE lying.. you put in the words "warrior" and "warriors" whereever you wanted, on WoR it doesnt say Warrior(s) anywhere, tsk tsk Shao ;)

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#8 Jan 27 2008 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent

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Stupid bloody double post *go swears in a corner*

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#9 Jan 27 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent

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every 2.4 patch notes has been proven fake why should this be any differnent?

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#10 Jan 27 2008 at 9:46 AM Rating: Default

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Phobealock wrote:

every 2.4 patch notes has been proven fake why should this be any differnent?

Like the blue post on the frontpage of WoR says:
"As always, I'll remind people that if we don't post patch notes, they aren't the real deal. We create them, we post them, we make them reality. Don't supplant someone's fantasy patch notes for the real ones in your heads. It will only end in tears on so many fronts."

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#11 Jan 27 2008 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good

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I kinda skipped what he wrote since I had earlier read WoR.

Now I just re-read it, and he did change everything to mean warriors.

I am hoping the class that squells in delight is the rogue class Smiley: sly

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Buffs for the warrior class don't necessarily mean PVP buffs.

QFT.

Right now DPS Warriors are pretty useless outside of raid content since they bring arguably the least amount of utility to a five-man party in addition to lacking the all-important heroic component: CC. All they bring is straight damage. Great damage when geared well, granted, but nothing else.

Also, unlike the other two tank alternatives, Druids and Paladins, Warriors can't solo worth a crap when specced Prot. I've heard rumors that Blizzard is going to be looking into making Prot more solo-friendly, and I hope that that is indeed the case.

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A rather easy way to fix the prot grinding problem would have to take a page from the fake patch:

Have Devastate hit with both weapon (when dual wielding), Mutilate style. Hell, go one step further and have '1 handed specialistation' give out even more damage when dual wielding (Double it?). Those talents are so far in the prot tree that they wouldn't affect anything else.

The dps might not be insane, but it should help.

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Right now DPS Warriors are pretty useless outside of raid content since they bring arguably the least amount of utility to a five-man party in addition to lacking the all-important heroic component: CC. All they bring is straight damage. Great damage when geared well, granted, but nothing else.

What do you suggest thought?

Only thing I can think of is to help their aggro management somehow (some kind of feint move?), but ultimately that's just more damage and it doesn't really help their lack of utility.

They do bring Imp Battleshout for what it's worth >_>.

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Warchief Tyrandor wrote:

A rather easy way to fix the prot grinding problem would have to take a page from the fake patch:

Have Devastate hit with both weapon (when dual wielding), Mutilate style. Hell, go one step further and have '1 handed specialistation' give out even more damage when dual wielding (Double it?). Those talents are so far in the prot tree that they wouldn't affect anything else.

The dps might not be insane, but it should help.

That's not from the fake patch notes. It was on the PTR for some time. It was just removed because it was "too powerful", to quoth a Blue.

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[quote=Bigdaddyjug]Also, unlike the other two tank alternatives, Druids and Paladins, Warriors can't solo worth a crap when specced Prot.

if you have a crappy dps set, sure, prot soloing sucks. but if you are T4 equivalent and up, granted you won't mow through mobs like you would if specced to dps, but "can't solo worth a crap" definitely does not describe warrior prot soloing.

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Eh?

More powerful compared to what thought? Did it turn prot into a viable pve dps spec? Now, that'd be hilarious!

Because I can't see it making prot good in pvp...

More of blizzard's flawless design logic I suppose.

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#17 Jan 27 2008 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good

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Wow, I linked the original post I pulled the info from, and tried to make it blatantly obvious I edited the post.

And some people respond with "LAWL YOU EDITED THAT THEY DIDN'T SAY THAT!"

I'm amazed guys, really ;}

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(which they don't, they're still the best tanks)

I'd rather be a slightly worse tank, in some situations and be able to laugh as rogues try to damage me but kill themselves in the process.

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#19 Jan 27 2008 at 8:06 PM Rating: Good

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1st post...

Shaolinz wrote:

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We have information in the works, but I'd caution people that it's not going to be today or even Monday, but we have plans and are working to put things together that will hopefully make the wait worthwhile for warriors.
I'd also caution people about getting their expectations up in regard to "sweeping class changes", except for warriors. Again, we have many things in the works and a definite plan of action for warriors that we will share with you all more as we progress.
As always, I'll remind people that if we don't post patch notes, they aren't the real deal. We create them, we post them, we make them reality. Don't supplant someone's fantasy patch notes for the real ones in your heads. It will only end in tears on so many fronts, unless aforementioned buffs focus on the warrior class in which we'll seriously consider implementing them.

We know things... things that will make warriors squeal in delight...
Ok, maybe not actually squeal in delight, but there are definitely warrior buffs in 2.4 and we feel there are some great new moves for warriors coming your way.
I don't want to raise any expectations beyond what they should be at, but there is more than one thing that I'm looking forward to for my warrior. Take it for what it's worth.
*No, I'm not pinning myself down to any specific date for an information release. Sorry!

Tell me I'm lying.

OT: I scored the national average when I took my practice MCAT. Since this is pre-studying and I still have 4 months till the actual test, things look very very good for me!
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Cause it's funny.

Edit:

And it doesn't matter if warriors "suck" at pve (which they don't, they're still the best tanks): the warrior class should not receive any buffs in the next patch. They're on the top of the food chain in pvp and certainly aren't a "useless" pve class, as you basically have to have a tank or you're dead, and warriors are the only class that can do this with a shield and without a mana bar.

Despite this, I will go ahead and bet now that the warrior class will receive a buff in at least three areas come 2.4.

How in the hell did you try to make it blatantly obvious? Your first post consists of 'Taken from,' and 'Tell my I'm lying," in regards to your quote. Your second post just ******* about what you were 'blatantly obvious' about misquoting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but NOTHING any of that strikes me as being a blatantly obvious joke. Plenty of it strikes me as a retarded QQ. For the love of God, try not to turn this into the O-boards.

Edited, Jan 27th 2008 11:07pm by FletusSanguine

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#20 Jan 27 2008 at 8:41 PM Rating: Excellent

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You could always allow Devastate to be used with a 2h weapon.

The 1 big thing I missed when grinding as prot on my warrior was the instant attack that did 10% of the mobs health (or more).

I realize that Devastate would be totally spammable since it has no cooldown, but couldn't you double the rage cost when using a 2h, something along the lines of the sliding energy cost for shiv?

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How in the hell did you try to make it blatantly obvious? Your first post consists of 'Taken from,' and 'Tell my I'm lying," in regards to your quote. Your second post just ******* about what you were 'blatantly obvious' about misquoting. Correct me if I'm wrong, but NOTHING any of that strikes me as being a blatantly obvious joke. Plenty of it strikes me as a retarded QQ. For the love of God, try not to turn this into the O-boards.

Can someone post the gif of the dude running his head into a wall repeatedly for me?

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#22 Jan 28 2008 at 12:19 AM Rating: Good

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Right now DPS Warriors are pretty useless outside of raid content since they bring arguably the least amount of utility to a five-man party in addition to lacking the all-important heroic component: CC. All they bring is straight damage. Great damage when geared well, granted, but nothing else.

What do you suggest thought?

Honestly, I don't have a suggestion for that one any more than I do for my DPS Shaman or Balance Druids. They're really in the same boat. All are fine all the way up to 70, then they're worthless in heroics and superfluous in Kara, then useful again in 25-man content where micro-specialization is key.

Personally, I'd rather see the game change rather than the classes to make heroics less reliant on CC en masse. Right now they're just as hard or even harder than Kara (at least in my opinion) unless you bring two or three DPS with applicable CC or a tank geared far above the heroic level.

Any DPS without CC is more or less a charity case until 25-man content at the moment, so either they give everyone CC, or they tweak the content. The current state of things is just unfair and unacceptable to certain specs of certain classes. Ideally, we should all be able to do what we want with what we want.

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#23 Jan 28 2008 at 2:33 AM Rating: Good

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Shaolinz wrote:

Can someone post the gif of the dude running his head into a wall repeatedly for me?

As soon as someone can post the gif of you making yourself look like an ignorant jackass like usual. Case in point.

Edit: This isn't to say that anyone that didn't bother reading the quote source isn't missing the point. It's their own fault they got fooled. If you're attempting to say you made it obvious that you were making a 'Haha, I'm whining but being funny about it,' post, more power to you, but you're full of it. Half the responses in here, from people who clearly just read what you wrote, are taking what you said at face value. You were anything but obvious.

Edited, Jan 28th 2008 5:57am by FletusSanguine

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#24 REDACTED, Posted: Jan 28 2008 at 10:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Added special little bolded areas for Fletus and anyone who else who apparently can't figure out this is fake. If that's not enough let me know and I'll link the original site so you can look and see the notes are obviously not real. Oh wait, I did that already, as well as said flat out "call me on the notes" at the end of the quote. The equation was x + y = Z and I told you what x and y were. If you can't come to z on your own terms then God save your soul.

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2.4 prelims are up.

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#26 Feb 01 2008 at 8:28 PM Rating: Good

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FletusSanguine wrote:

Shaolinz wrote:

Can someone post the gif of the dude running his head into a wall repeatedly for me?

As soon as someone can post the gif of you making yourself look like an ignorant jackass like usual. Case in point.

Edit: This isn't to say that anyone that didn't bother reading the quote source isn't missing the point. It's their own fault they got fooled. If you're attempting to say you made it obvious that you were making a 'Haha, I'm whining but being funny about it,' post, more power to you, but you're full of it. Half the responses in here, from people who clearly just read what you wrote, are taking what you said at face value. You were anything but obvious.

Edited, Jan 28th 2008 5:57am by FletusSanguine

FLETUS ANGRY SHAO STUPID

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