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#1 Jan 25 2008 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
Ok, this is going to be split into two things I'm a bad paladin at and want advice:

First is tanking: On both my horde and alliance server, I've noticed a troubling lack of tanks. I've put off playing both my hunter and respecced my holy paladin as a tank.

So far, I tanked ZF. It went alright, but I felt like I was barely holding on. I had to recover mana a lot, and use Righteous Defense a lot; people were pulling enemies off that I had to grab. All in all a pretty stressful time. Against bosses it was easy to keep hate, but it was against multiple mobs that I had trouble. Admittedly the party was a bit overzealous with their forward momentum, but even if I could get the mobs to hit me 1st I'd often end up chasing one.

Casters were a huge problem; since they weren't attacking me, they'd easily switch to the healer, and I'd have to charge over, dragging the other mobs, and DPS, along with me.

I don't even know what to ask really, just.. how do I make this work.. less stressfully :P What are the ideal blessings and seals to use? I used mainly blessing of sanctuary on myself/blessing of salvation on others. Seal of wisdom for myseal. Lots of consecration if things would turn away from me, causing a big mana drain.

PvP:

OMG BGs are a frightening place for a paladin ; ;

You're not much good on your own, so I usually find myself chasing after teammates who seem to scatter in all directions, trying to get heals onto them as they get smashed by a pile of opposition. Usually one or seven of the opponents wise up and lock me down, while my poor teammate gets turned into sauce. After that, I'm alone again and usually just /sleep until they kill me.

I would have thought protection would have been more fun in BGs, but I think I actually survive *less* and am less helpful as its hard to get heals off even with concentration aura.
#2 Jan 25 2008 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
for tanking, use skull to mark the focus target and only use one consicrate.

you shouldnt need more then one consicrate, if you do, then your DPS needs to get kicked. or maybe just talked to . . . whatever.

now that the mana issue is out of the way. use Seal of Rightousness. you will need that extra hate now that everyone will actually be attacking the same target.

you didnt mention Ret aura but i assume your using it.

dont use defiance, armor doesnt increase linearly. few hundred armor for a clothy is a huge buff, a few hundred for a plate wearer is close to nothing for mitigation.

for casters, either LOS them (line of sight) or fight on top of them and pull the melee with you. not much else you can do, aside from telling silence capable classes to help you out. but good luck with that before lvl 70 . . .

Edit: if something does happent to turn away, judge Rightousness on them, use your judgements as a taunt. you really shouldnt be using consicrate more then once for anything unless the team is built for AOE carnage, or you have the extra mana and just feel like using it. but you dont need to spam it if the DPS is doing their job right.

Edited, Jan 25th 2008 12:00pm by RuenBahamut
#3 Jan 25 2008 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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You had RF on i assume? I diddn't have it on a few times and wondered why I couldn't hold aggro until someone pointed it out to me.

Edited, Jan 25th 2008 3:17pm by Killerheals
#4 Jan 25 2008 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
Killerheals wrote:
You had RF on i assume? I diddn't have it on a few times and wondered why I couldn't hold aggro until someone pointed it out to me.



Yes, I actually started one fight at the beginning when the rogue accidentally aggroed the 1st group while people were still entering without it. Man that went bad :P Amazing how much it helps.


Thanks a lot Ruen. Yeah, ret aura, I believe is pretty much a given. I should rely mainly on heals giving me mps right? Instead of using seal of wisdom or blessing of wisdom?

Blessing of sanctuary I like for the damage return, but I didn't realize how much the reduction helps until I was grinding some undead in western plaguelands. With it being a straight number instead of a percent, it really deminishes attacks from things like undead who use lots of swift small attacks. Even if holy shield is down, their attacks are barely anything.


Oh yeah, quick side question: I'm wearing 'hydralick' armor. Do you think this is a mispelling of 'hydralisk'? :P hydra...lick? eww ._.

Edited, Jan 25th 2008 12:34pm by digitalcraft
#5 Jan 25 2008 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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I think Blizz was just being cute. Playing on the word "hydraulic". But who knows...maybe hydra licking is some inside joke. :-)
#6 Jan 25 2008 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
I think I'm gonna state the obvious and point out that the "Hydralisk" is from Starcraft, that other game from those Blizzard guys...
#7 Jan 25 2008 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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It wasn't mentioned, but I assume that you are aware that your threat is generated mainly through Holy Damage. White damage doesn't do too much. So, that is where Seal of Righteousness comes in. It gives you a continuous output of Holy Damage (i.e. threat).

For caster mobs - my recommendation is to put the skull over their head, or else have them CC'd. The other thing you can do is run into the mobs (instead of pulling them). That way, you are right on top of the casters.

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for tanking, use skull to mark the focus target

That is so critical! If the DPS don't know who to target, then they will just start hitting random mobs. You'll never hold on to aggro that way.

I have a DPS alt, and it drives me nuts when a tank doesn't mark mobs. Please don't be that tank :)

Another great suggestion is to mark the second target too. That way, DPS know who to focus on when the first mob goes down.

Hope that helps.
#8 Jan 25 2008 at 8:51 PM Rating: Decent
lvl 51 is little high to be tanking ZF you should be in mara or st. i started doing brd true it wasnt far and was a mana sink but it's do able.

build looks good.

i would try for faster 1 hander i used greens over blues just for the extra swings from reckoning.

also for pulls like that. i skull the melee but use avengers shield for the caster and normaly i run close enough for the consicrate to hit the casters. other than that you should be fine except being froged or feared.

i think that i over threat alot of mobs. and always have cause i'll pretty much chain consicrate as long as not interfearing with HS.

oh btw your main is on my mains server well guessing its your main seeing 70 hunter.

#9 Jan 27 2008 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah marking is a big thing. I was running SM Library with my mage yesterday and the tank wasnt marking. Safe to say there were many close calls, a couple of wipes and a few angry people by the end. Explain what each icon is for as well. Most people know that skull means 1st target, moon is usually Sheep CC etc, but you would be surprised how many dont.

You will almost always have problems with casters compared to melee types. Just use Line of Sight so they come to you and drop a consecration. That should be plenty to keep them off the healer. I usually give priority to clothy dps mobs first or healer mobs then melee, just bcoz there harder to hold, whereas the melee types will usually just sit there pounding on your shield
#10 Jan 27 2008 at 8:58 PM Rating: Decent
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The main thing with pally tanking is to drop one consecrate at the start of a fight, keep Holy Shield and Blessing of Sanctuary up (you can switch the blessing to Kings/Wisdom, but I like Sanc) and then call the DPS in. Avenger's Shield really helps with early threat generation, like consecrate, and as long as you have Salvation on every DPS guy (apart from the Hunter, you might want him on CC so he'll need to pull threat) and you let consecrate tick over you should be fine.

I think your main issue is that you're not using SoR. If you combine that with Judgment of the Crusader, the amount of threat you generate on the guy you're hitting literally doubles. As long as you've got them hitting on you first with consecrate, keeping them there with ret aura + BoSanc + holy shield is easy business.

Your typical stumbling blocks for paladin tanks, as you guessed, are casters and mobs with Silence. We have no reactive defense against spells, and Silence stops us from refreshing Holy Shield.
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