Why?
Well, because when you're being stunlocked by some asshat Hemo Rogue and he's bringing hurt on your Puttycat form, you really want to switch into Furball asap. So you're mashing the Dire Bear form button like as if each button press brings back health. And then it happens...
<tap tap>
You switch into Dire Bear form.
SERVER MEGA LATENCY PWN
You switch into Caster form.
And the Rogue picks up the stunlock again.
Nice one.
This could all be solved by making "Caster form" an actual form (stance 0 perhaps). You'd have to press the Caster form button to exit forms. Mass-tapping the Dire Bear form button with a sh*tty latency thus would not make you enter Dire Bear form only to leave it again.
I think.
Edit: Upon further researching this odd phenomenon, I've realized that the shifting to Caster form is actually happening when you shift from one from to another directly. You hit Caster form for a brief moment and then enter the other form. So much for that buff. The smallest latency will cause you to stay in Caster form for 1-5 seconds before entering the other animal form.
Edited, Jan 25th 2008 1:10am by Mazra
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First of all, I'm finding myself replying to a post because of an avatar - can't stop looking at it, most distracting when trying to read the actual content of the post (or maybe it's because I've been awake for 20hrs straight now, who knows?).
Secondly - bah nvm - you more or less nailed it in your edit. Though one thing bugs me: I though the reason change made the decision on whether or not you were in a from clientside, so server latency would have zero impact - or am I missing something?
Secondly - bah nvm - you more or less nailed it in your edit. Though one thing bugs me: I though the reason change made the decision on whether or not you were in a from clientside, so server latency would have zero impact - or am I missing something?
They should just remove the transition phase of caster between forms all together.
It annoys me that it doesn't already work that way.
While it was nice to add one touch form changing, it seems flawed because of the way it currently works... and only largely because of latency and or close timing to changing forms while getting stunned and how you end up hitting the button more times than you meant trying to get into bear form only to find yourself saying 'hello bear form, good bye bear form, hello stunned again'
If there was no transition stage to caster in the first place going from form to form, odds are you'd limit the odds of ever having to do that button smashing game trying to get into bear in the first place.
Edit: when latency is 150 or less the transition is fast enough for the most part that they may as well remove the transition phase to caster all together. Basically, I don't see it as giving anyone an obvious advantage if they were to do this. The only people who might see it as an obvious advantage would be folks with latency upward of 500... and that's already large enough of a disadvantage that they may as well get this.
Edited, Jan 24th 2008 8:26pm by Torzak
It annoys me that it doesn't already work that way.
While it was nice to add one touch form changing, it seems flawed because of the way it currently works... and only largely because of latency and or close timing to changing forms while getting stunned and how you end up hitting the button more times than you meant trying to get into bear form only to find yourself saying 'hello bear form, good bye bear form, hello stunned again'
If there was no transition stage to caster in the first place going from form to form, odds are you'd limit the odds of ever having to do that button smashing game trying to get into bear in the first place.
Edit: when latency is 150 or less the transition is fast enough for the most part that they may as well remove the transition phase to caster all together. Basically, I don't see it as giving anyone an obvious advantage if they were to do this. The only people who might see it as an obvious advantage would be folks with latency upward of 500... and that's already large enough of a disadvantage that they may as well get this.
Edited, Jan 24th 2008 8:26pm by Torzak
Torzak of Carbuncle(Moved To Asura)
Caster form between forms has nothing to do with mashing the on-off button for bear form.
The only time going caster between forms is a real problem is if you're trying to go from Moonkin to bear form because then you lose your armour if stunned between forms. Every other form doesn't have any loss going from their form to caster while in the middle of a rogue attack. For example, kitty form. You dont lose any extra health or armour when shifting out of cat form.
Actually, if anything, getting in caster during a stunlock when going from cat to bear is a good thing because you can then use barkskin while hitting the bear button.
The only time going caster between forms is a real problem is if you're trying to go from Moonkin to bear form because then you lose your armour if stunned between forms. Every other form doesn't have any loss going from their form to caster while in the middle of a rogue attack. For example, kitty form. You dont lose any extra health or armour when shifting out of cat form.
Actually, if anything, getting in caster during a stunlock when going from cat to bear is a good thing because you can then use barkskin while hitting the bear button.
They could at least make shifting between forms without every entering caster a Feral talent. And make FFF trainable ^^;
For me, Micros' whole post was a "huh" moment.
No one said that caster form between forms was a result of mashing any buttons at all.
What was said was that trying to change in to bear from cat at the same time as being stunned because of latency is one problem. (because there's a transitional phase of going to caster before you move into the next form)
The second problem comes from standing there in caster while stunned and "then" smashing the bear button to get into bear form as soon as the stun wears off only to find yourself going from 'stunned caster form' to 'bear form', and then right back into a newly 'stunned caster form' as a result of having hit the bear button too many times.
The OP has suggested a caster form button specifically so that spamming your bear button doesn't make you go bear, caster, bear, caster, bear, caster, etc.
and instead, spamming your bear button would just put you into bear form and hitting it again would do nothing. AKA you could spam your bear button while stunned and not worry about hitting it too many times by the time stun does wear off.
Except you missed entirely what the OP was trying to say.
The 'real problem' the OP was trying to comment on has nothing to do with going from moonkin to bear specifically. Or any form to another form specifically.
The problem the OP was talking about is that because caster form doesn't have it's own button, the spamming of your bear button while stunned and taking a beat down from a rogue, will often result in you changing into bear, immediately followed by going back in to caster and then potentially stunned again... simply because the bear button serves as your "change into caster from bear" and your "change into bear from another form" all in one button.
In my above post I made a suggestion that wouldn't fix the whole problem, but it would likely remove some of the headache by removing the transitional phase caster form that 'always' is there when you change from bear to cat, or cat to bear, or bear to flight, or flight to cat, or w/e.
In high latency, while in cat form, if you hit your bear button you very well may end up going into caster form for up to 2 or 3 seconds before it changes you into bear form and if that transitional phase wasn't there at least that much of it wouldn't be a problem.
Edited, Jan 24th 2008 10:32pm by Torzak
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Caster form between forms has nothing to do with mashing the on-off button for bear form.
No one said that caster form between forms was a result of mashing any buttons at all.
What was said was that trying to change in to bear from cat at the same time as being stunned because of latency is one problem. (because there's a transitional phase of going to caster before you move into the next form)
The second problem comes from standing there in caster while stunned and "then" smashing the bear button to get into bear form as soon as the stun wears off only to find yourself going from 'stunned caster form' to 'bear form', and then right back into a newly 'stunned caster form' as a result of having hit the bear button too many times.
The OP has suggested a caster form button specifically so that spamming your bear button doesn't make you go bear, caster, bear, caster, bear, caster, etc.
and instead, spamming your bear button would just put you into bear form and hitting it again would do nothing. AKA you could spam your bear button while stunned and not worry about hitting it too many times by the time stun does wear off.
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The only time going caster between forms is a real problem is if you're trying to go from Moonkin to bear form because then you lose your armour if stunned between forms.
Except you missed entirely what the OP was trying to say.
The 'real problem' the OP was trying to comment on has nothing to do with going from moonkin to bear specifically. Or any form to another form specifically.
The problem the OP was talking about is that because caster form doesn't have it's own button, the spamming of your bear button while stunned and taking a beat down from a rogue, will often result in you changing into bear, immediately followed by going back in to caster and then potentially stunned again... simply because the bear button serves as your "change into caster from bear" and your "change into bear from another form" all in one button.
In my above post I made a suggestion that wouldn't fix the whole problem, but it would likely remove some of the headache by removing the transitional phase caster form that 'always' is there when you change from bear to cat, or cat to bear, or bear to flight, or flight to cat, or w/e.
In high latency, while in cat form, if you hit your bear button you very well may end up going into caster form for up to 2 or 3 seconds before it changes you into bear form and if that transitional phase wasn't there at least that much of it wouldn't be a problem.
Edited, Jan 24th 2008 10:32pm by Torzak
Torzak of Carbuncle(Moved To Asura)
Sorry about the off-angled post. Guess it's a bad idea to check forums in the AM before having coffee. >.<
Make a macro for each form that changes you to that form no matter what form you are in. That way you can spam it to your hearts delight :D.
Then make a Cancel Form button, that will bring you to caster form.
Also, getting stuck in caster form during a stun is not ALWAYS a bad thing. Since you can go to caster form while stunned, you can stop from being affected by hibernate or scare beast.
Then make a Cancel Form button, that will bring you to caster form.
Also, getting stuck in caster form during a stun is not ALWAYS a bad thing. Since you can go to caster form while stunned, you can stop from being affected by hibernate or scare beast.
just get a fail-safe spammable dire bear macro. youll have to tap to another form (caster or otherwise) first, prolly via use of another macro (cause youll likely want it to be caster) but since its going to be nothing more than a buff cancel at that point, you can tap it once then immediately after start mashing the fail-safe dire bear macro.
or, as i myself am personally fond of doing, tap ctrl+F1 twice really fast. boom boom, out of and back into bear with nary more a graphic than some smoke.
or, as i myself am personally fond of doing, tap ctrl+F1 twice really fast. boom boom, out of and back into bear with nary more a graphic than some smoke.
Make a macro:
/cast [stance:0/2/3/4/5/6] Dire Bear Form(Shapeshift)
If you are in any form but dire bear, it will shape shift you to bear. It will not cancel form out of bear if you keep pressing it. If you want one for each form these are the numbers:
1. Bear, 2. Aqua, 3. Cat, 4. Travel, 5. Moonkin/ToL, 6. Flight
Leave out the number of the ability you are making a macro for (for cat it would be /cast [stance:0/1/2/4/5/6] Cat Form(Shapeshift)
To make a cancel form macro,
/cancelform [stance:0/1/2/3/4/5/6]
Edited, Jan 25th 2008 4:14am by Delekii
/cast [stance:0/2/3/4/5/6] Dire Bear Form(Shapeshift)
If you are in any form but dire bear, it will shape shift you to bear. It will not cancel form out of bear if you keep pressing it. If you want one for each form these are the numbers:
1. Bear, 2. Aqua, 3. Cat, 4. Travel, 5. Moonkin/ToL, 6. Flight
Leave out the number of the ability you are making a macro for (for cat it would be /cast [stance:0/1/2/4/5/6] Cat Form(Shapeshift)
To make a cancel form macro,
/cancelform [stance:0/1/2/3/4/5/6]
Edited, Jan 25th 2008 4:14am by Delekii
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Micros wrote:
The only time going caster between forms is a real problem is if you're trying to go from Moonkin to bear form because then you lose your armour if stunned between forms. Every other form doesn't have any loss going from their form to caster while in the middle of a rogue attack. For example, kitty form. You dont lose any extra health or armour when shifting out of cat form.
You are correct if you only look at armour or health. But just wanted to point out that by going from kitty to bear and accidently being stuck in caster will cause loss of the extra dodge of the kitty (I know only a few % but still...).....while indeed keeping the same lousy armour and health (compared to bear) and you lose the "run Forest run" speed of the kitty (if specced or having four pieces of arena gear, the first giving 30% speed bonus to kitty, the second 15% speed bonus in forms.., well and ofc kitty always has dash..)
What is this "caster form" of which you speak? (See "you may be a feral druid..." thread)
I've never had issues popping out of form because I double tapped the key, lag or not...do you have the double-tap protection turned on?
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I've never had issues popping out of form because I double tapped the key, lag or not...do you have the double-tap protection turned on?
I think so. All I know is that I was spamming Dire Bear form in Cat form and it took me there and then some. Unfortunately.
The macro thing sounds great, but I was kinda hoping to dodge that bullet. I'll have to bring out the knife on my UI compilation and I'm not exactly a surgeon. More like a construction worker with a chainsaw and bad Parkinson's.
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that sounds like the beginnings of a fun horror movie.
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that sounds like the beginnings of a fun horror movie.
Directed by Peter Jackson, amirite?
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