sorry to be a noob, but are these builds ok?Follow

I respecced to Demo and messed up points everywhere I think, so sometime soon I'm going to suck it up and pay to respec again. Can anyone let me know if all are viable, none are, or a make improvements/comments? Thanks in advance. Also if you suggest one build let me know where the next 4 points would go.

I'm basically a solo player, mostly just doing quests and grinding mobs. Sometimes I team up with one other person, a Rogue. I don't do any PvP now, and will respec at 70 for PvP and or/raiding so those aren't really important factors to the builds below.

First is a pretty standard Afflict/Shadowburn build, only I was thinking about putting pts into Suppression instead of Demonic Embrace
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?0502220512231115512010050000000000000000000505000010000000000000

Second is a Hybrid sort of thing, Felguard with enough points in Afflict to DrainTank too sort of.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?0501220500100000000000052030133052103531301000000000000000000000


BTW I know most ppl go with 2 pts in Master Summoner instead of Fel Domination but I'm kind of lost as to what good Master Summoner is really, your demon shouldn't be dying so you shouldn't have to resummon it right?

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 6:42pm by icemandarekthanius

What level are ya?

Affliction is the *fastest* way to level, although it sort of comes with a price. Where Demo is very quick at single targets (and very powerful, might I add), affliction excells only when taking on multiple targets, allowing overall DPS to stack up from multiple sets of DoTs on multiple monsters.

Having tried a few different specs all over the board, I can tell you that with a steady flow, a much higher amount of concentration, and more will power you can level a good deal faster with Affliction instead of Demo. Demo is also able to handle multiples, but not with quite as much power, and is dependant on the pet for ALOT (too much I feel.)

As for your builds, your first Affliction buildset is pretty well put together. Again it depends on your level, but there are some things to watch out for as certain talents start out good, then get pointless and then may be worth it again later.

The first is Drain Soul, which is a good choice at early levels due to the Mana gain, but later becomes stupid. It remains relatively pointless (I believe it's broken, whatever the case it does not usually return the mana it promises) until you again can make good use of it due to it's agro reduction in later groups/raids.

Empowered corruption is an amazing talent... when you're high enough level to have a ton of +spell and +shadow. The increase from Empowered corruption is actually relatively miniscule until that point, as it is simply a modifier on your effective +spell while casting Corruption - that's it. I would say the talent is underpowered until at least 65, although I'm not doing any math on that badboy. While Improved Agony is often looked down upon (and for many good reasons) it remains a decent choice for straight grind situations until you have that +spell to make Emp Corruption worth it.

Demonic Embrace is far superior to Improved Imp in levels 10-50, however some may argue the additional 11.4 STA to everyone in the group at lvl50 and 20 STA to everyone in the group at lvl62 is better than the 15% increase in your personal STA. This, again, gets straight shot out the window once you start getting good STA gear from OL and PVP. Rule at 50 is if you have 400sta or more then Embrace is better, Rule at 62 is 667sta or better then Embrace is better.

If you're gonna go deep into Demo for grinding I suggest getting 3/3 Manafeed for the trip up, however 90% of people contend that once they get decently geared 1/3 is enough, in which case a respec would be in order so you could fit those 2 other points elsewhere. As for me, when I specced Demo I kept 3/3 because I HATE when my pet gets LoM, and certain BG and Arena situations call for as much mana as possible - including for pets that arn't your Felguard...

As for the Master Summoner thing, it is a passive effect that actually stacks with Fel Domination. You are right, however, in the fact that if you're grinding/farming both talents are somewhat of a waste. One solid arguement is that after a run of 5-15 monsters, it can be quicker to simply summon a new Felly, and with these talents that is not only by far true, but also has a reduced casting cost. Another prime use of the talents is that SL/SL will use it to pop VW Bubble on themselves, cause a fuss somehow (generally Deathcoil) and then quicksummon a new VW to resume the SoulLink. It's a solid tactic but not good for what your looking at right now.

For a straight-shot cut to the bone Felguard build that will work well for a while, use this, and while you definatly can use it immediately at 50, most suggest either getting enough levels to put some points into Destruction or Affliction before actually making the change.

Improved Slave demon is pointless. If you wanna go SB Spam with Felly, then also make sure to grab Demonic Tactics.

You might consider doing 3/3 Improved Succubus then, for certain Group/PVP situations. Enslave Demon really is pointless 99% of the time, and the sad thing is the points spent on the improvement hardly help it at all anyways.

Improved Seduce is a pretty handy ability for the Succy to have, and unless your in an extremely caster-heavy situation the two top Demons your gonna be using are the Felguard and the Succy.

*Edit*

Also for your Affliction build, if you plan on doing any PVP or even if you play on a PVP server, Amp Curse and CoEx are amazing spells, especially when used in conjunction. And for raids and other big targets, Amp Curse + CoD is another big hitter.

Edited, Jan 25th 2008 1:05pm by tzsjynx

For your Demo build, I'd suggest something more like this. The points in Demonic Resilience are interchangeable with Demonic Knowledge. The Improved Healthstone is optional, but I really like having it.

What you posted isn't bad per se, but there's some bad talents in there. Improved Enslave is a complete waste of talent points. Also, in my opinion, you may not want to get 3/3 Demonic Aegis, as the 30% increase isn't really that great.


Yes... however, sh*t happens, and sometimes your demon gets gang-banged... then what are you gonna do? A demonologist without a demon is just an ologist... not too scary. Master Summoner with Fel Domination gives you a 0.5 sec. summon once every 15 minutes. It's an "Oh, sh*t!" button. Master Summoner by itself is pretty good too, since it shaves 4 seconds and 40% off every summon.

I don't like that Demo build too much Ryke. It seems to try to hard to balance PVP with PVE while putting extra points down for Crit% when you have no bonuses to crits in the Destro department.

Imp HS is purely PVP, but when you take a real look at the real difference it makes it's about 1 tick of SL. Speaking of which, if you're going to be draining a lot the Demonic Aegis becomes a definate must for Fel Armor.

And again, Improved Succy is a great way to go, the Seduce definatly comes in handy for both PVE and PVP.

Since you can't have Felguard and SL, I tend to think only 7 points are really worth it in Affliction, dumping the rest into Destro allows a nice steady flow of damage from SB Spams and the ability to Shadowburn when a quick burst is necessary.

My complete Felguard build would look like this usually.

Then again... I don't like Demo builds XD

Amazing and scary how none of you got it right and than even advise each other.

the spec looks likes that to be most effective:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?0500100000000000000002050030133250101531351505000010000000000000

To be honest all builds posted ARE bad.

Before you even considder defaming me, know that i am a very successful raider with this specc usually toping dmg meters and a formidable foe in pvp situations.

Edited, Jan 28th 2008 3:10am by Oakenwrath