After recently hitting 70 with my priest, I have noticed something. If I am in a group, or even out soloing by myself... people feel the need to "protect me". For example: In a group, there are three of us. We're fighting 3 mobs (non elites). I take one of them, yet someone else in the group immediately rushes to my aid. Or, I'm out soloing, and I pull two or three mobs at once -- Knowing quite well how to handle it, as I've done it a million times before. Yet, some random person runs by and takes the other mob off me, trying to "help".
I know priests are "squishy", but we all know how to take care of ourselves. While it may be our job at times to protect people, and I admit, sometimes we do need protecting ourselves, it seems other classes have no idea just how powerful we really are.
Anyone else have issues with this? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that people are looking out for me, but it does get irritating on occasion. Usually I don't say anything, but what is an appropriate thing to say when this happens? When people have "helped" me when I have been soloing, I usually say something like "Thanks, but I had it" or "I could've handled that, thank you".
Excuse the rant, I am just curious if anyone else goes through the same thing.
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No, I love that behavior. Especially in battlegrounds. Every player in the game should have a deeply ingrained instinct to protect the Priest, even if we're 41/20 Discipline/Holy for PVP and harder to kill than some raid bosses.
Because no matter how effective our healing or DPS is, it's a lot more effective when we can cast without rollback, interruption, or having to move. And no matter how much resilience and stamina we have, we're still vulnerable to silence, stunlock, interrupts and mana attacks.
It may be people are more protective of their Priests than their healer Druids, Shamans or Paladins, which isn't completely rational...but heck, I love it.
The proper thing to do when you're fighting mobs and someone steps in to help when you don't need help is to immediately pull more mobs--it's like free money. If you feel like thanking them, buff 'em and /salute.
Because no matter how effective our healing or DPS is, it's a lot more effective when we can cast without rollback, interruption, or having to move. And no matter how much resilience and stamina we have, we're still vulnerable to silence, stunlock, interrupts and mana attacks.
It may be people are more protective of their Priests than their healer Druids, Shamans or Paladins, which isn't completely rational...but heck, I love it.
The proper thing to do when you're fighting mobs and someone steps in to help when you don't need help is to immediately pull more mobs--it's like free money. If you feel like thanking them, buff 'em and /salute.
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That's a good point. I didn't even think about the PVP aspect of it, as I mainly PVE. You're right about the free money, though. I should do a better job at damaging all the mobs so when they do pull it off, I still get the items. Thanks for the response :)
Yes, we are clothies. No, we are not defenceless. If people want to help me when I obiously can manage on my own, I can get a little cranky, but I just think by myself "they just want to help".
Said that I want to add that I can survive long enough in a BG to give my opponents a tough time and stretch the time for reinforcements to arrive. Our tools (fear, self-bubble, heal self) can make it pretty annoying for our foes. It gives us those precious seconds to defend a node or let teammates be able to spawn at that nearby graveyard.
Said that I want to add that I can survive long enough in a BG to give my opponents a tough time and stretch the time for reinforcements to arrive. Our tools (fear, self-bubble, heal self) can make it pretty annoying for our foes. It gives us those precious seconds to defend a node or let teammates be able to spawn at that nearby graveyard.
Hmm... I'm pretty neutral about it. Sometimes, if I'm trying to level up my melee weapon skill, I really dislike it if someone decides they should kill it fast for me (and I never attempt this on things I can't kill that way). On the other hand, most times, it doesn't bother me, and I've been known to help other players out the same way, either with a heal or with attacking something, especially if it looks like they're having troubles. I've never really thought of it as being class-related, though. The coolest times have been when I've healed another healing class and then end up in a tight spot myself, while soloing, and they heal me.
That's a little off-topic, but I consider it all basically the same thing. I don't really read anything into it.
In an instance, I don't like being the target of an attack, because I do find it hard to keep healing if I'm trying to fight off some monster. So, I don't mind it at all in that situation. What I normally do in that case, especially if anyone else needs help, is throw up the shield, continue healing the tank, and give a help message. Granted, I've heard the shield becomes pretty useless later on (I'm level 33), but so far, it seems to give everyone else enough time to react.
Now, if no one else needs healing and I'm at a level where I can take it myself, I just fight it... but again, if someone else comes in and helps out at that point, it just means we can get through that fight sooner and on to something else. And in the situation you mentioned: 3 players, 3 mobs -- some people believe it's most efficient to take out one at a time. So if you attacked one before anyone else attacked anything, some people would decide that's the one to attack.
I agree that we are not defenseless, but no matter what class, I think it would feel strange just watching another party member fight something. To be honest, that's one thing I don't like about partying with people who are significantly higher level than I am. They kill it, it's dead. I just stand there. Ugh.
So, I guess it would depend on the situation, but most times, I don't mind being helped out, and I often take time to help out others, at least if it looks like they're having trouble (i.e. lower hit points, NOT time-related).
That's a little off-topic, but I consider it all basically the same thing. I don't really read anything into it.
In an instance, I don't like being the target of an attack, because I do find it hard to keep healing if I'm trying to fight off some monster. So, I don't mind it at all in that situation. What I normally do in that case, especially if anyone else needs help, is throw up the shield, continue healing the tank, and give a help message. Granted, I've heard the shield becomes pretty useless later on (I'm level 33), but so far, it seems to give everyone else enough time to react.
Now, if no one else needs healing and I'm at a level where I can take it myself, I just fight it... but again, if someone else comes in and helps out at that point, it just means we can get through that fight sooner and on to something else. And in the situation you mentioned: 3 players, 3 mobs -- some people believe it's most efficient to take out one at a time. So if you attacked one before anyone else attacked anything, some people would decide that's the one to attack.
I agree that we are not defenseless, but no matter what class, I think it would feel strange just watching another party member fight something. To be honest, that's one thing I don't like about partying with people who are significantly higher level than I am. They kill it, it's dead. I just stand there. Ugh.
So, I guess it would depend on the situation, but most times, I don't mind being helped out, and I often take time to help out others, at least if it looks like they're having trouble (i.e. lower hit points, NOT time-related).
If I'm just in the world randomly soloing, then I don't think it's class-based at all. It's just someone helping out as you were going along. Heck, I sometimes do the same thing myself. It's neighborly.
In groups, I treasure that behavior. From a strictly tactical point of view, there is a slight to someone else taking the hits (we have painfully low mitigation, so the mob outputs less when he's hitting someone else). This benefit exists even in totally controlled situations where there's no real threat; it's vital when things go hairy.
But even when the situation is totally controlled, it's evidence of good habits. It's a lot easier to maintain group survivability when there isn't a hostile stranger trying to eat your face. If someone goes out of their way to help with that, it's valuable. Someone who takes the trouble to keep his healer free when it doesn't matter is someone who can be counted on to do the same when it does.
In groups, I treasure that behavior. From a strictly tactical point of view, there is a slight to someone else taking the hits (we have painfully low mitigation, so the mob outputs less when he's hitting someone else). This benefit exists even in totally controlled situations where there's no real threat; it's vital when things go hairy.
But even when the situation is totally controlled, it's evidence of good habits. It's a lot easier to maintain group survivability when there isn't a hostile stranger trying to eat your face. If someone goes out of their way to help with that, it's valuable. Someone who takes the trouble to keep his healer free when it doesn't matter is someone who can be counted on to do the same when it does.
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Posted: Jan 24 2008 at 5:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It is pretty annoying to be solo questing and some random guy kills whatever you are killing to "help" and makes you lose the spirit tap, whenever that happens i promptly cuss the F*CK out of them
I wish people would help more on my server. Even if I didn't need it, that would be so cool. I've died many a time while some alliance person stood there and watched. I get more assistance from the horde than from my own faction.
LOL, I say if somebody "helps" you just thank them and move on. There are always plenty of monsters to kill, plus it gets em trained for instances where you may need some DPS to get a monster off you.
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Just my 2 coppers worth.
LOL, I say if somebody "helps" you just thank them and move on. There are always plenty of monsters to kill, plus it gets em trained for instances where you may need some DPS to get a monster off you.
LOL
Just my 2 coppers worth.
I've noticed this too on my shadow priest. I'd definitely agree that people generally perceive me as much more squishy that I actually am. As other people have said, this can have both positive and negative consequences.
One of my favorite results of this perception is the occasional rogue that I have 5 levels on thinking he can take me because I'm a "squishy priest".
Next thing he knows, his face is a messy puddle at my feet and I have more life than before he made the ill-fated decision to attack me.
One of my favorite results of this perception is the occasional rogue that I have 5 levels on thinking he can take me because I'm a "squishy priest".
Next thing he knows, his face is a messy puddle at my feet and I have more life than before he made the ill-fated decision to attack me.
i help priests as a sort of karmic payback for keeping me alive in raids, instances and pvp.
on my lock if i see anyone with more than 2-3 mobs on them i will throw some dots on the target and keep on my merry way , skipping' and a jumping.
i do tend to go out of my way to help ppl in trouble, even some hordies il go help jsut cos its a nice thing to do, i dnt expect it back.
although i have got a /w from a lvl 1 gnome saying 'thanks for helping me back there, thouht i was a gonner'
i do tend to go out of my way to help ppl in trouble, even some hordies il go help jsut cos its a nice thing to do, i dnt expect it back.
although i have got a /w from a lvl 1 gnome saying 'thanks for helping me back there, thouht i was a gonner'
I do the same on my lock, sometimes it works to my advantage too, SL everyones mob while killing my own makes for alot of regen :D
I am finding more and more people "helping" me out lately. For example today in the hinterlands, I was ginding on some spiders that were 6 levels below me, VT > VE > SW:P > wand and I would end the fight with 100% mana and hp and I could join in the green chat discussion without missing a beat. a lvl 41 warrior followed me for almost 20 minutes. At first I thought he may have needed those for a quest, so i moved to a new spawn to let him level and he followed.
My only complaint when ppl do that is I often lose my spirit tap buff if they get the last hit in.
I am finding more and more people "helping" me out lately. For example today in the hinterlands, I was ginding on some spiders that were 6 levels below me, VT > VE > SW:P > wand and I would end the fight with 100% mana and hp and I could join in the green chat discussion without missing a beat. a lvl 41 warrior followed me for almost 20 minutes. At first I thought he may have needed those for a quest, so i moved to a new spawn to let him level and he followed.
My only complaint when ppl do that is I often lose my spirit tap buff if they get the last hit in.
maybe he just wanted to be friends....or more (does horny look) are you sure it was his sword poking you in the back
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Why are you complaining, especially in an instance? Its the role of other classes to protect the healer. After all youre probably the one of the few rez-ers in group. You may be able to handle the mobs, but its good practice to watch out and protect the healer. If youre fighting, youre not healing!
After all is said and done, Holy Priest (in BGs anyway) are probably the most defenseless class in the game. Shadow Word: Pain woopy! Psychic Scream yeaaaah! Some other cast; interrupt, interrupt, interrupt, dead. I do my best healing after I am dead; don’t tell Blizz, they will ***** it up.
Blizz starts out with a good idea but never fails to ***** it up. They have done this time and time again since Star Craft. The company as a whole just lacks character. Mind Control used to be good, now it is worthless and I could go on and on, but I won’t.
Blizz starts out with a good idea but never fails to ***** it up. They have done this time and time again since Star Craft. The company as a whole just lacks character. Mind Control used to be good, now it is worthless and I could go on and on, but I won’t.
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Not ALL of you do.
If I see what looks like another player in trouble, Ally or Horde, I will usually lend a hand. Unless I am feeling naughty, then it is Misdirect and pull 3 more.
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I'll admit that I'm guilty of this, as it is pretty much embedded into the very fiber of my being to jump to the aid of the Cleric/Paladin/Druid/Warden/Healer/Shaman/Friar whenever s/he is getting hit.
i'm on a pvp server
If it's red(flagged), it's dead if I can make it die, regardless of if it's a gank, a honorable kill or w/e.
if it's an ally, it depends on the situation. If they would othwerwise die, I save them. If they're just after killing it, puilled an add, w/e, I usually heal, buff, go on my way, sometimes say hi and stay around. depends on what i'm playing. but yeah, if a shammy and a priest both needed help.... Shammy has uh, better armour? ;)
<3 priests that actually heal in pvp, so i defend them, pvp and PvE
If it's red(flagged), it's dead if I can make it die, regardless of if it's a gank, a honorable kill or w/e.
if it's an ally, it depends on the situation. If they would othwerwise die, I save them. If they're just after killing it, puilled an add, w/e, I usually heal, buff, go on my way, sometimes say hi and stay around. depends on what i'm playing. but yeah, if a shammy and a priest both needed help.... Shammy has uh, better armour? ;)
<3 priests that actually heal in pvp, so i defend them, pvp and PvE
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