Alliance Warlock - Race?Follow

I know gnomes start with more intellect, armor, and mana
But is there any groundbreaking plus to a human lock over a gnome lock?

they have a kickass racial for pvp, gnomes that is

human makes the rep grind a bit faster. i'd say that perception is good, but once you get felpup it's useless.

2nd Star!

Edit: or not

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 12:22pm by Ailitardif

Grats:)

Did I look at that right? Tell me your joking and you dont really think that!Besides the cooldown on Escape Artist is only a measley 1.75 second cooldown:)

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 4:46pm by Killerheals

humans knock about 1 instance run / 2-3 hours of grinding off rep collection. their racial is **** as it's the only racial which requires you to actually see the oponent stealth for it to be useful AND it requires your oponent to be an idiot and not wait for it to wear off you. escape artist though will save your life countless times. you gain more mana, more crit and you're harder to see ^^

Wow, so you're all up for wasted gcds - that's awesome. Any enemy that isn't stupid can easily retrap you in half a second, while doing constant damage. So what are you left with? Oh goody! Another chance in 1.75 seconds to reuse it! Oh noes, now you're trapped again! *rolls eyes*

How about fearing the mage, or using CoT? In fact, why the hell are you that close to a mage at all? (demo locks aside - but even then it should be your demon).

So let me see - if I want to sit on my ***, and wait for a gank - I'll be sure to only rely on my gnome escape. Wasted gcds? Meh ~ those aren't important. *rolls eyes*.

Oh ~ and how long do re-spawns take? I'm pretty sure it isn't higher than the duration of perception.

Why would blizzard make perception a two-minute cd while escape artist is only two? Would they really have such an unbalanced racial structure, despite a fairly equitable situation everywhere else? HMMM!

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Anyways, that isn't to say that escape artist isn't a useful ability - simply that one can do without it; people can obviously do without perception. They each fit their unique play-style, so if you are going to say spec relates to play-style, it's quite hypocritical to not apply that philosophy to racials.

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I thought tauren players love beating on gnomes... idk though, haven't played one :S (/end edit)

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 8:22pm by OveliaLethon

unbalanced racials? bloodlust, WotF, arcane torrent. they're FAR more OP than escape artist, personnaly i don't know why they nerfed it to a 1:45 cd instead of a 1min. also, gnome >>> human. oval you've no idea what you're talking about and ty killer for leaving me out...

Me either. Though I think it had something to do with the whiners about Serennia, that gnome warrior from BG9.

I never said they are not "invaluable", only that a well-played warlock can easily get by without it. Being able to avoid a stunlock is better than reacting to one - whether with a trinket, or escape artist. If you don't get this, then you're obviously a great player /end sarcasm.

As for "teachers": I've been personally taught by two of the three best warlocks in my server. *shrugs*, I know this doesn't impress you, and it may lower your view of all Lethon Alliance locks, but meh ~ I'm trying to point out I'm not some idiot with her head up her ***.

My laptop burned out last weekend (hence, no raids/pvp), but when I get it back early next week I'll happily post my most recent AV score. I can dig up some other ones that show I sacrifice myself for objectives over honor-whoring, so you can't use that as an excuse. Hopefully will be getting it back Mon./Tues. of next week - remind me and I'll post ^^.
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He left you out because you obviously aren't one of the "knowledgable Warlocks" (btw, this is misspelled...huh?). If you don't know why the Horde have better initial pvp abilities than alliance, you obviously don't realize the point of WoW - to make Blizzard money. If you still don't get the correlation... yeah.
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I already stated I did not have experience with arena strategy, so don't try to use this as some random "point". As for the HKs - sorry I haven't devoted my life to PvP, I haven't had a need to. Sorry, just used to games where people are judged by skill, not tks. Hmm, and I don't need the arena gear to pvp fyi (although I am stacking up on the s1 for the resilience) - considering I've been pvping people with full S3 in raid gear.



Wow, and here I thought Warlocks were awesome because even if we die, the other player dies shortly thereafter from our dots... Oh noes, we're burst-less mages (destro aside)! Sarcasm aside, this is an asinine statement: if person A dies first, obviously person B will be the last to die.



True, but I fail to see how a preemptive avoidance fails to a reactive ability. Staying out of melee range is a great form of survivability, and in my opinion trumps an additional escape (in which you cannot easily leave melee range to avoid another movement impairment). I also have not said anything about differing builds - only racial abilities.



Why are you giving the druid enough time to root and then run around a corner? I'm pretty sure that the time it takes to root and then run for LoS problems is less than the cast time of a regular fear.



Yes, this is true. Then again, you can make due without an extra escape - it's simply harder to do. This comes down to the balance of the pvp racial ability: in some circumstances, escape clearly is more beneficial, yet in others perception is clearly better. A lot of it also comes down to play-style: even if perception is technically balanced, if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you :/.



True. I'm not saying escape artist doesn't let you "escape", simply that you're trading global cds and the safe distance between yourself and an attacker.



Anyone who claims that build types are equitable depending on play-style is a hypocrite if they do not also apply the same reasoning to racial abilities. Putting any "attitude" aside, if you aren't going to seriously think about the points I've brought up, I'm not going to bother trying to convince you otherwise.

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Perception allows you to spot and prevent cloaked players from reaching your team's healers/flag capturers in a battle. So yeah, perception doesn't just apply to 1v1 pvp. (/edit)

Edited, Jan 25th 2008 8:02pm by OveliaLethon

ovel, no offence but you're a c unt, me and loki are definately equals, but oaken is far from it. also why horde have better racials? 'cos blizzard employees play horde and they don't want to fix their OP races.

also, "your latest AV scores"... you do know that AV is basially just 1 big instance where people don't pvp right? it's there to farm honor and leech. it means nothing about pvp, heck even doing the objective is done through effectively pve'ing. you don't pvp, you just get near each flag. cap it and then melee anyone who tries to take it back till they give up / your team has rushed the end boss of either side. once you get a few arena teams and a decent rating then maybe you'll know what pvp is.

loki never said anything about spec types. he racials are effectively a '2nd trinket'. sadly perception and shadowmeld are the worst of the lot, wotf, arcane torrent, gift of the naru and escape artist are the best.

next, the idea of "if A dies first, obviously B dies last" is only true in statement as it implies that damage is more important, in reality skill and surviability are the main parts, especially for us casters who's purpose is generally to 'tank' and CC in pvp

yes you can make do without escape artist. but you're an idiot or a role player (a.k.a a carebear) to purposely gimp yourself in both pvp AND pve by choosing an inferior race

finally, about your edit. for you to stop people from getting to your mates / flags you first need to beable to SEE them heading to it AND for them to be to stupid to NOT notice you've got perception up. it's a near useless ability. heck the only places it can kinda work is 1. duels and 2. in arena when you can't see the opposing team, so you perception, remount and run around HOPING to see them (chances are they'll be smart enough to hide in dodgy spots anyways)

nope. i was talking about both horde and alliance. also blood fury is nice for the damage increase, but it's hardly tide turning and it's also got the lovely effect of 50% healing reduction. now if you're using this vs a MS warrior then it's not to much of an issue, but it can still be a big issue for your healers / your drain life.

Ovelia, if you've never BEEN in an arena, if you don't PvP regularly, then your opinion is really void. You don't know anything about pillar humping and using LoS. You've never lost a druid from sight and had him travel form away to another pillar, run behind and drink before dropping Shadowmeld (easily one of the most broken tactics, btw). The static buff from a Felhunter isn't enough to give you the jump on a good rogue. Perception is next to useless. With your detection range only extended to 15 or so yards, they can easily pop sprint and get to you in the time it takes you to tab target and attack and that's if they're approaching from the front like a complete jackass.

Rooting effects and slowing effects will make or break fights in both arena and bgs. Whether it's not losing 1/2 a step while you're kiting a rogue because you can shrug off deadly throw or getting the @#%^ away from that warrior who just hamstrung you by dropping CoEx and then popping your racial, being able to maintain maneuverability will always trump the possibility to catch a bad player off guard. Escape Artist works on everyone, every time. Perception works against rogues, only if they're too dumb to see the buff, only if they're too dumb to sprint, only if they're too dumb to approach from behind, and all of that, only if you saw them coming before they dropped into stealth.


Also, killing someone else first and being the last to die are two entirely different things. In a 5 v 5 arena or a 40 person BG, the easiest way to rack up contributions is to survive, the same as in any raid. Survival is key to doing anything. It's why organized groups put a minimum resilience before inviting people, why you gem for Stam on PvP gear, and why crit dependent specs with low or no survival abilities and tactics generally get screwed against the exact opposite. Yes, 1 on 1, if you kill the other guy, you're the last to die, but for any PvP that's going to matter there are a lot more people in the game than just you and 1 other.


Oh, and I call ******** on "I PvP in my raid gear w/ people in S3." You may defend farm for them or something, but try going with serious PvPers into a serious PvP fight and you'll be paper thin and absolutely worthless. When you can be 3 shot, there is a problem.

Edited, Jan 26th 2008 4:42am by Loki