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Which would be better for PvP as a Retribution PLD, Blessing of Kings or Crusade?

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Crusade, hands down. 3% dmg increase is a huge bonus plus it won’t get dispelled.

I think Kings is the best pvp buff but I wouldn’t take it over Crusade.

there is no blessing of crusade. your question cant be answered.

Edit: now if your talking about talent choices (which you should have explained) no, i never have a use for Kings in PvP, and i dont spec for it either. i always run might. the 11 points to get to kings is not justified.

also, as a ret for pvp, its my opinion that no points should be put in prot anyway.

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 7:54am by RuenBahamut

3% of 2000 is 60. That is to say if you manage to crit someone for 2000, you will do 60 more damage to them.

For PvP Retribution, the Prot tree is a big component to up your survivability. I'd say take Kings for the stamina, crit, intellect, etc. boost. Crusade, in my opinion is meant for PvE Ret.

That's my PvE spec. I don't PvP much to begin with, and do Arenas as Holy.

thats true untill you realize that if your using kings, then your not using Might. 10% more str from kings is less AP then you would get from might. AND it took you 11 talent points to get it. . . and 10% agility is points less as most your crit comes from talents and crit rating. 10% stam, well, paladins have great survivability by default. you need damage, plain and simple. Rets have a DPS handicap already. dont make it worse.

also, 3% more damage is the same as 3% more crit if i remember correctly, they both add up to 3% more DPS. yet if it was 3% more crit, that talent would be taken without question. Edit: Actually, 3% more damage is even better as its less effected by Resiliance then the hypothetical 3% crit.

kings is never better then any blessing(exeptions for tanks). its nearly always 3rd on the list for a reason. in PVP, it should be second.

in addition.
from my expirience, if there is ever a pally handing out blessings in a BG, its always a Healadin, and its always kings for everyone.

if your Ret, again my rather strong opinion, dont spec into prot. precision is for raids at best and the rest is trash. Offensence is the best defence, yada yada yada. . .

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 10:04am by RuenBahamut

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 10:07am by RuenBahamut

true enough, i guess i would rather gear up a slot with +hit then worry about it. i have that Overlords helm of the second sight, which is a quest reward so its easy enough to get.

socketed with +8 hit gems and will soon have Rep for Glyph of Ferocity for it, is plenty of +hit so precision looks less appieling to me, hence the bias comment. my appoligies.

how much +hit = 1 DPS for a Ret?

when you take into account: white, SoC, and CS?

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 2:21pm by RuenBahamut

SInce all those abilities have a 5% chance to miss on equal level opponents, wouldnt it be safe to say that up until 5% hit, each percent= 1% more dps?

i dunno much about ret specs, but speccing 7 into prot for 3% hit sounds bad. I would think you have better places to spend them. I guess if you dont have the gear than sure. no idea what ret itemization is like either.

it was never my intention to put anyone "in their place"... i merely was stating my opinion haha. i'm gonna do me some math eventually and figure this out for myself. but in general 1% hit > 1% damage > 1% crit = 1% increase in AP. in other words hit affects all swings, % damage only affects swings that hit regardless of chances and crit is only a chance. increasing our crit or your AP by 1% should be kept in balance. when 1% crit is cheaper stats to stack than 1% more AP crit is cheaper. when 1% increase in AP is cheaper thats thats the route to go. hmm, i'll need to do math on this.. cause i may be wrong.... haha. if i'm right i'm replacing my crit gems with strength gems... if someone else sees where i slipped up before i do pls let me know....

Ruen,

You remarked that 1% extra crit is more or less equal to 1% extra damage, which imo is not true for a Ret paladin, certainly not in PVP.

- for the Ret paladin part: vengeance procs more often with more +crit, hence +crit gives more % +damage, right?

- for the PVP part: damage spikes >>> flat damage, hence extra crit% >> extra flat damage.

As to the OP: just as Ruen said: up your damage as much as you can because THAT is the area where a Ret seems to lack. Survivability could be better but you have at least a bubble... the extra stam from kings takes away more damage through blessing of might.

Though: if you choice is ONE point into kings (unwilling to drop the 10 prereq points in protection) or ONE point into crusade: by all means, choose Kings if only to give the blessing to your teammate(s)!