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#1 Jan 23 2008 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
I know i do, i know, im not a healer on my priest, but on my pally, those are the exciting times, However; it seems that every time im on my rogue or spriest, priests or whoever healing gets pissed when someone pulls aggro. Wouldn't healing just get boring if you never had a challenge? what are your thoughts?
#2 Jan 23 2008 at 8:30 PM Rating: Decent
well no wonder they get pissed, pulling aggro means, more people getting attacked (generally) which means more people to heal, and if they all go to the tank, if u dont spam heal the tank is gone, which most likely means the raid/instance will wipe :P
#3 Jan 23 2008 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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I love huge pulls like I love huge repair bills. Just wait til you get in all epics and dying 3 times = 20+g.

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 12:15am by MookusOU
#4 Jan 23 2008 at 10:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Healing is boring = I don't have a repair bill that rivals 8 hours of raiding. Considering I have about 400-500g in repairs, pots, flasks, and respecs every week already, when you get huge pulls I get ready to hearth out in the middle of it.

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 12:17am by lsfreak
#5 Jan 24 2008 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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I prefer a dungeon run where everyone's playing smart, pulling no more than we can reliably handle.

However, I get a big thrill on the occassions where something goes wrong and you end up with two, three, four more mobs than you were anticipating, and everyone goes into panicked overdrive trying to cope with it...and you win. You don't wipe, you survive by the skin of your teeth thanks to a soulstone and an ankh and all your tank's cooldowns.

It's fun to discover what your limits are. Not so fun to smack into them at 50 MPH.
#6 Jan 24 2008 at 7:42 AM Rating: Decent
I love huge pulls and this is coming from the Tank. I love it and who cares about a repair bill just do some dailies and your right back to where you started. I love tanking lots of mobs I guess thats why I run Heroic Shatt Halls but any hoo your not alone ^_^
#7 Jan 24 2008 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Healing is boring


Yeah... Well, that's your opinion. I really love to heal, be it in an instance or BG, I just love it (and there are more like me...just watch them)

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Considering I have about 400-500g in repairs, pots, flasks, and respecs every week already, when you get huge pulls I get ready to hearth out in the middle of it.


I really hope that you don't hearth out at the first overpull you encounter, because that's just lame towards your partymates. Ofcourse if they ***** up over and over again and you can't prevent a wipe even when you heal the best you can heal, you are entitled to leave imho.

Nevertheless I really like the challenge of a pull gone wrong, cause it will test me as a healer and I will be loved for it if I save the day. I get thrilled when I go OOM and I am forced to use manapots and bandages. Healing will not be boring in situations like these :)
#8 Jan 24 2008 at 9:56 AM Rating: Decent
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I was saying that if the healing is boring, i.e. no deaths/people drawing aggro/whatever, that means it's a smooth run, and no/low repair bills. And I've only actually hearthed out a handful of times, in groups that were doomed to fail pretty much from the start, and only me and maybe one other person knew what the hell was going on (underleveled shammies trying to tank, mages trying to aoe down packs of 4+ elites, the entire group having no concept of drinking after fights, etc).
#9 Jan 24 2008 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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So I only have a lvl 49 priest and up until recently was 100% holy spec (I frequently instanced with a RL warrior friend who always happened to be 5-6 levels higher than me so I needed the skills for maximum effect--he then leveled very quickly through the 50's to get to BC and my Warrior so now I'm stuck with pug runs)with more than 200+healing and found that (to not waste healing) I usually had to wait for the tank to be almost dead before I healed them... even in instances that I (according to the game) was too low to be in. This makes for an incredibly boring run because the tanks usu. refuse to pull when they only have 70% health so I end up only using Renew for well over 50% of the instances. The huge pull situations were where I got a chance to prove my abilities to my group-mates. It is always fun when a pat walks into our fight or a runaway mob agro's an additional group of enemies and we live; or it was a VERY close fight. Absolutely LOVE it!
#10 Jan 24 2008 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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haha i hear where you are coming from...
70 healing can get so boring. Renew and PoM.... then repeat. But then, oops, aggro 5 extra mobs. Now what? I guess i have to turn my chair to the comp screen and use 2 hands hahah. honestly i get kinda nervous and excited. thats when a real healer comes into play, when **** goes wrong
#11 Jan 24 2008 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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I get what you're saying. Healing is boring until things get messed up, that's our moment to shine. If things go to smooth then it gets boring pretty quickly. If things get totally out of hand like the examples Isfreak has given, then it is also getting pretty boring (wiping 99 times, corpsrun, huge repairbill). I would hearth out as well in those conditions.

@ Isfreak: Sorry, I misunderstood your first post. Please forgive me.
#12 Jan 24 2008 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
I love healing, it's a passion, if I didn't I wouldn't do it. Yes it can get fairly boring sometimes and yes when things go a little wrong that is when I really shine.

Having said that, my view is if I'm going into an heroic or a raid I want to get through as smoothly and as easily as possible, needlessly complicating things (not using available CC or having poor CC etc etc) increases the chance of wipes - I'm not saying that it isn't exciting when you have five mobs on your tank 2 DPS are down and you're one heal from pulling agro (in a five man) but doing so needlessly means more downtime on corpse runs, more money spent on repairs, consumables and the like.

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However; it seems that every time im on my rogue or spriest, priests or whoever healing gets pissed when someone pulls aggro.


Ideally I'd not want DPS to pull agro, and yes I'm a priest! Why? It always creates a dilemma for me; if there's no way the DPS can survive in spite of your healing then you're the next target on that mobs list, and unlike paladins us cloth wearing healers are kind of easy to kill... which leaves us to let the DPS die, if of course they keep doing this then they probably deserve just that and a talking to. At best this would put us one man down (which is usually manageable) or the potential for a wipe if you can't handle it without that person.

I like healing, period! It can be both challenging and boring depending on the situation, but I'd much prefer that people do what they can to make any instance or raid run as simple as possible so I can concentrate on doing my job when things go crazy through no fault of our own. :)
#13 Jan 24 2008 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Ideally I'd not want DPS to pull agro, and yes I'm a priest! Why? It always creates a dilemma for me; if there's no way the DPS can survive in spite of your healing then you're the next target on that mobs list


Exactly. I don't heal DPS classes who don't watch threat meter cos they're coming after me next and if I die its a wipe. So if they want to DPS their hearts out and not pay any attention to group dynamics that is fine but they better have a way to get rid of that aggro or they're gonna watch the rest the fight from a gray screen.

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 7:33pm by MookusOU
#14 Jan 24 2008 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
Aside from this post i just had to say it...


DING 50 (on my priest)

VT rocks so far
#15 Jan 25 2008 at 2:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Gratz on 50 btw. I think thats my main letdown as mainhealer, is I take it too personal when someone in the group dies. Even when dps, who I know should be watching out for themselves on the threat. How many times have I seen dps go overboard, get themselves pounded 6ft under and proceed to rag me about heals. Yet I still feel like it IS my fault. Its really strange because as soon as i'm on my hunter or warlock I make sure the healer understands i'm expendable(if i get aggro its my fault and i'll deal with it).
#16 Jan 26 2008 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I do have an addendum - crazy healing can be fun when you're in a good group with friends just goofing off. Me and our main tank, on his warlock, have competitions to see who can pull trash off the tank the fastest (and since it's 5-mans, we know we can take the hits). A Durnholde run with 4 fury warriors and myself. Steamvaults with a CoH priest, two spriests, aforementioned warlock, and an undergeared tank who could only hold aggro on bosses and only with taunt spamming. Those kind of crazy pulls are fun, because you're with friends and the healer won't freak out when one of the dps pulls aggro.
#17 Jan 30 2008 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
Healing being boring is not really an opinion, unless your idea of excitement is setting there watching health bars. Whoopdie-doo.
And, no I dont like huge pulls, because that only equals more ******** for me to heal lol... since I would be off-spec healing anyways.
This one time in Stratholme, we got to the ziggurat neat the gate leading to the last bosses, and most of the corners had not been cleared. I was standing up the little road in a corner, when someone pulled pretty much every thing on that end. Of course, I had to decide if I should enter combat and die with them, or wait and resurrect. After choosing the latter (the most reasonable thing to do), some of the bats fly by and killed me. Then, one of the paladins cussed me out, then leaves the group. Sorry, but what else should I have done? No one else thought I did anything wrong.
So, yeah... no big pulls :p
#18 Jan 30 2008 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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Once mainhealed Uldaman as the only healer. I was watching tellie at the same time, that's how easy it was. EZmode like tutorial. And then later on the Paladin started healing as well.

Yawn.

I do prefer interesting fights over safe fights, but I can see why a safe fight is preferred in raids.
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#19 Jan 31 2008 at 10:56 AM Rating: Decent
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It's true that healing can sometimes be really fun and sometimes so boring. My main being a warlock it's been a revelation when I started healing with my priest.

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Once mainhealed Uldaman as the only healer. I was watching tellie at the same time, that's how easy it was. EZmode like tutorial.


I was running Uldaman yesterday. I main healed with my 36 Disc/Holy priest. Even being that low it was sooo boring. I can't believe how they've nerfed that instance since the patch 2.3. The last fight with Archaedas used to be difficult with all the adds. Yesterday it was a walk in the park, only a few adds, maybe 3, not much.

I know Blizzard want us to hit the Outlands as fast as possible but now there's no challenge leveling from 1 to 58.
#20 Feb 01 2008 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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Gratz on 50 btw. I think thats my main letdown as mainhealer, is I take it too personal when someone in the group dies. Even when dps, who I know should be watching out for themselves on the threat. How many times have I seen dps go overboard, get themselves pounded 6ft under and proceed to rag me about heals. Yet I still feel like it IS my fault. Its really strange because as soon as i'm on my hunter or warlock I make sure the healer understands i'm expendable(if i get aggro its my fault and i'll deal with it).


The saying goes,
"If the tank dies, it's the healer's fault
If the healer dies, it's the tank's fault
If the dps dies, it's their own damn fault."

AoE damage being the only real exception. I try to keep dps alive even if they get aggro. After a while, they'll get a warning. If it continues, I just let them die. After a couple of deaths, they usually get the point. If they *****, it's usually only them as the rest of the group is happy.
#21 Feb 01 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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normal pulls are unexciting and uneventful. enormous pulls give me the chance to show off my insane healing skills... it's also the best opportunity to let one of the annoying dps-ers die.
#22 Feb 01 2008 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
As a priest healer... maybe ******... i totally love huge pulls or accidental pull. For some reason when the raid aggro 10 instead of 5 i get totally excited and start pulling off all sorts of priesty versatile healing which makes priest really shine.

Even in kara, normal pulls are totally boring with a shaman aoe healing and pala mt healing. I just spend like 80% of my time renewing and casting PoM as a form of formality to show i am actually healing when i am not even seriously healing... >.<

However, i heard in later raids and the final BT. Over pulling is gaurenteed wipe for the raid. :/ So i hope healing at that stage will be really exciting.
#23 Feb 02 2008 at 2:08 AM Rating: Good
Most of the time, I prefer careful pulls. Yes, it can sometimes get boring, but if I'm in an at-level group, not too boring. The only time I've really been bored has been while playing with a friend of mine who is significantly higher in level. We did Ragefire Chasm, when it was green and grey for ME, and I must say, that was the most boring experience I've ever had in World of Warcraft. Ugh.

Tonight, we did Razorfen Kraul. At 35, I was still higher than I should have been, but the majority of quests were yellow for me. And he's about 9 levels above me, so he was way overpowered for it. Still, there were just the two of us. We got to a particular area (not sure exactly which one), and for some reason, he just goes running around in it. He told me he hadn't meant to aggro everything in the room, but he did.

Well, I can tell you that even though I said "Oh shoot" (or something similar) about a million times, ran out of mana at least twice (despite his shaman mana stream totem and my numerous mana potions), got stunned and silenced... I still had a wonderful time when we actually made it, both in one piece. It was great!

So, making the most of a single mistake -- great. But I think I'd have been unhappy and frustrated if that's the way the whole dungeon had gone. Everyone makes mistakes once in awhile, and that is when things get exciting. But I don't think I'd want to do a lot of dungeons with people who deliberately pulled too much to handle, unless, as lsfreak said, it's a group of friends goofing off and you know you're all crazy. If you're there to do some quests or for some particular purpose other than just going crazy, it seems disrespectful, prideful, or stubborn for someone to deliberately continue to pull more than the group can handle. Surviving despite that is fun, but let's not make it a habit.

One last thought: DPS is the most common class, but just because it's common doesn't mean it's easy. If someone hasn't really had much experience, I don't think it's fair to apply my comments about "deliberately" pulling more than the group can handle to them. In fact, I'd say it's probably harder to learn to DPS well in a group than heal or (possibly) tank, if only because it seems like there's nothing to learn. You just target the guy and do damage, right? Just like soloing, right? Whereas the healer and tank roles are much more well-defined as NOT what you do when soloing, so it's easier to remember we're not doing the same thing, and to find resources to help us do it better. I bet a lot of DPS users don't even realize that they're supposed to watch their threat and so on. Now, if they know it's their problem and they don't *try* to fix it, that's a problem. But if they're still learning their group role and just making mistakes? Not as irritating.

(Of course, this comes from someone who does not have a lot of experience in groups, so take that as you will).
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