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#1 Jan 23 2008 at 2:29 AM Rating: Decent
Good morning all,

I have a few not very high level characters and decided to give Draenai (Sorry about spelling) a try. I created a Shaman as I had also not tried that before and levelled up to 10 yesterday evening.

I am really enjoying playing the Shaman and learning how to use it's spells and totems. My issue comes with speccing her. As I have mentioned I levelled to 10 last night and got my first talent point. I am really not sure what I should put this into. I was wondering whether anyone could offer me any advice.

Thank you all in advance.
#2 Jan 23 2008 at 4:04 AM Rating: Decent
it really depends how you want to play ele and ench can be huge damage dealers i think it more common for shaman to go ench to lvl but it rally your choice on if you want to be hand to hand or a caster. resto shaman are gonna be a slow to lvl unless you find your partying alot of the time.
#3 Jan 25 2008 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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For fastest leveling go enhance or elemental, though enhance is probably a bit faster due to less mana dependency. you can level resto, but it will be a lot slower than the other two.

Just a general overview, enhance is melee based, and thrives when you get windfury. Elemental is more of a caster or "battle-mage" since you have mail armor+shield and rely on spellcasting. Restoration is a healer spec and will make you extremely hard to kill.


Overall just pick the spec you enjoy most and level with it.


*Damn typos...


Edited, Jan 25th 2008 6:49pm by borzan
#4 Jan 25 2008 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
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If I were levelling a new shaman right now I would level as ele for 1 simple reason.

If i got called upon to heal an instance while levelling, I wouldn't need to carry around a 2nd set of gear to do it in.

Enhance willbe slightly faster levelling, but elemental is probably more fun.

In my opinion, elemental is the way to go.
#5 Jan 25 2008 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Bigdaddyjug wrote:
If I were levelling a new shaman right now I would level as ele for 1 simple reason.

If i got called upon to heal an instance while levelling, I wouldn't need to carry around a 2nd set of gear to do it in.

Enhance willbe slightly faster levelling, but elemental is probably more fun.

In my opinion, elemental is the way to go.

No. It's still far easier to level Enhancement and carry around a spare set of gear for healing than it is to level Elemental before you get Water Shield. I've tried it.
#6 Jan 26 2008 at 6:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Gaudion wrote:
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
If I were levelling a new shaman right now I would level as ele for 1 simple reason.

If i got called upon to heal an instance while levelling, I wouldn't need to carry around a 2nd set of gear to do it in.

Enhance willbe slightly faster levelling, but elemental is probably more fun.

In my opinion, elemental is the way to go.

No. It's still far easier to level Enhancement and carry around a spare set of gear for healing than it is to level Elemental before you get Water Shield. I've tried it.


Sorry Gaudion, but that's your opinion.

What about the person who hates melee characters? Do you still recommend they go enhance?

Besides, if you spec into ele you get a lot of nice talents to boost DPS and mana conservation.

Yes, enhance will still level faster, but levelling ele is a multi-purpose spec and will do just fine from 1-70.

PS I actually think ele is better the entire time you're in Outland just to keep the mobs off of you for as long as possible.
#7 Jan 26 2008 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Bigdaddyjug wrote:
What about the person who hates melee characters? Do you still recommend they go enhance?

Yes. Or roll a Warlock or a Mage.

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Besides, if you spec into ele you get a lot of nice talents to boost DPS and mana conservation.

No, you don't. You get 10% off your base costs, which is a pittance until the end of the game, and a minute amount of extra MP/5 around level 40. Elemental's "mana conservation" is based entirely on spell crit, and you won't be able to stack any notable amount of it until the end of the game.

You have two options when leveling Elemental: you can be an OOM machine with tons of downtime because you will be drinking constantly, or you can do absolutely pitiful damage. Your call.

In addition to that, there is zero rare instance gear for you until Outland. No caster mail at all. You'll be wearing cloth and leather (mostly cloth though, caster leather is almost as rare as the mail is) until 58-60, which kind of sucks when armor is our only defense.

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Yes, enhance will still level faster, but levelling ele is a multi-purpose spec and will do just fine from 1-70.

Again, you're just talking out of your... rear. I'm sure it sounds nice in your inner monologue, but the "all specs for all classes are created equal for all aspects of the game" view is naive and just plain false.

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PS I actually think ele is better the entire time you're in Outland just to keep the mobs off of you for as long as possible.

Less thinking, more experience. Then you can give advice on the matter and not a moment before.
#8 Jan 26 2008 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a shaman I levelled from 1-70 as mostly ele ( a little bit of enhance early on but this was before dual-wielding shamans and enhance got boring) and another I levelled from 1-45 purely as enhance.

Yes, I readily admit that the enhance is going faster. I will not admit that ele wasn't a viable levelling spec.

Maybe you should stop talking out of your...rear, and not assume that you have more experience than everybody else.

And telling somebody that hates melee to roll a lock or mage. Come on man. Ele shaman is a fine spec as is boomkin for druids. If you want to have an elemental shaman at 70, you may as well level as it and learn as much as you can about the spec.

Edit: If you haven't noticed, there's not really a whole lot of cloth or leather with +dmg at low levels. Blizz just doesn't itemize items with more than 1 or 2 +spell damage until they the level 30 range (the dagger from SM is what I'm thinking of).

There is, however, lots of mail with stam and int, which is all an ele shaman should need to level effectively from 1-60. And if you check another thread on this page you will see that it is quite easy to stack a few hundred spell damage and a some decent spell crit in Outland before you even leave HfP.

Edited, Jan 26th 2008 1:45pm by Bigdaddyjug
#9 Jan 26 2008 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Bigdaddyjug wrote:
I have a shaman I levelled from 1-70 as mostly ele ( a little bit of enhance early on but this was before dual-wielding shamans and enhance got boring) and another I levelled from 1-45 purely as enhance.

So you've leveled two Shaman to 70, Enhancement both times... I'm curious how this leads you to believe that you've leveled "mostly ele" and that you're justified in calling Elemental a viable leveling spec from 1-70. Could you be more specific on what "mostly ele" details for you? From the way you're talking, it sounds like you were around at least 40 both times before you respecced, which is not leveling 1-70 as "mostly ele".

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Maybe you should stop talking out of your...rear, and not assume that you have more experience than everybody else.

I've also leveled two Shaman. The one I leveled to 40 as Elemental I quit playing because I didn't want to melee either but leveling as Elemental was way too painful. The second time I bit the bullet and just leveled Enhancement. It was still painful until 40 (this was before the 2.3 buff to Enhancement), but immeasurably less so. And it was also immeasurably faster. I can only imagine how much faster and easier it is now with Shamanistic Rage at 20.

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And telling somebody that hates melee to roll a lock or mage. Come on man. Ele shaman is a fine spec as is boomkin for druids. If you want to have an elemental shaman at 70, you may as well level as it and learn as much as you can about the spec.

You don't have to like what I have to say, but that doesn't make it wrong.

Rogues that want to be Assassination or Subtlety still level Combat. Warriors that want to tank still level Arms or Fury. Druids level Feral. Priests that want to heal still level Shadow. Are you noticing a pattern here?

There's no reason not to level with your class' fastest leveling spec. You'll spend far more time from 60-70+ in Outland than you will leveling from 1-58. You're only making it that much harder on yourself and making it take that much longer to play what you really want to by refusing to do so.

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Edit: If you haven't noticed, there's not really a whole lot of cloth or leather with +dmg at low levels. Blizz just doesn't itemize items with more than 1 or 2 +spell damage until they the level 30 range (the dagger from SM is what I'm thinking of).

Immaterial. Melee classes get all the AP and crit they need from str and agi until Outland, which is readily available on numerous pieces of rare leather and mail in dungeons. Conversely, int does not translate directly into more spell damage. You get a little bit of spell crit out of it, but certainly not enough to villify your crit-reliant mana efficiency.

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... you will see that it is quite easy to stack a few hundred spell damage and a some decent spell crit in Outland before you even leave HfP.

Right. Which would mean you're in Outland... which means you'll have Water Shield in four or five levels tops (assuming you go at 58)... so... why are we not waiting until Outland and Water Shield again?
#10 Jan 26 2008 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Gaudion, did you read my post, or just instantly click Reply to this and Quote Original so you could try and pick it apart?

My first shaman I leveled 1-40ish or so as elemental. Around then I switch to enhance for a few levels but didn't like it and immediately switched back.

He was elemental the rest of the way to 70, then I switched to resto to fill a need my guild had in its Kara group.

This first shaman was before BC and therefore before shamans could dual-wield.

My 2nd shaman I leveled from 1-45 (which is where it's at now) strictly as enhancement.

Obviously enhancement levels faster, but I didn't find elemental that slow to level. Maybe it was because I was leveling elemental before the new talent trees came out, and forgive me but I can't remember what they looked like before they were extended to 41 points.

I am absolutely not denying that enhancement levels faster than elemental. All I am saying is that elemental is a viable leveling spec.

Every other class out there has 2 leveling specs.

Druid: balance and feral
Hunter: can really level as any of them, but marks and beast master will be best
Mage: again, you could level as any, but fire and frost will be best
Paladin: retribution and single target DPS or AOE grind with prot
Priest: obviously shadow, but a lot of people level Disc for the survivability
Rogue: assassination or combat will work for leveling, some even try sub
Warrior: fury and arms both level about equally
warlock: you can really level in any of their 3 trees, although demo kinda sucks till 55

So why can't shaman have 2 different trees to level in?

Oh, that's right. They do. Elemental is a fine leveling spec. If you want to speed level, go enhancement. If you want to try something different and still not struggle to kill things, elemental is perfect for you.


Edited, Jan 26th 2008 8:29pm by Bigdaddyjug
#11 Jan 26 2008 at 10:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bigdaddyjug wrote:


So why can't shaman have 2 different trees to level in?

Oh, that's right. They do.

So... Shaman have two different leveling trees because that makes statistical sense to you? Mmm... really. That's an interesting take on it.

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Elemental is a fine leveling spec. If you want to speed level, go enhancement. If you want to try something different and still not struggle to kill things, elemental is perfect for you.

I guess in the end we're just going to have to agree to disagree. If nothing else, I think it's quite obvious that we both have vastly different definitions on what is an effective leveling spec.

Well, I guess I'll just recommend to the OP to believe whichever PoV makes you happy and go for it. If you want to level 1-70 as Elemental, give it a try... and if you hate it as much as I did, you can switch to Enhancement and then switch back later on.

Just don't tell me about it. Because I will say, "I told you so."
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