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I really don't know what the expected dps of a dps Warrior is but I think yours sounds a bit low since I can maintain about 375dps on my Prot spec Warrior in my DPS gear which consists of some decent greens, some tanking pieces and a really nice set of dps pants and two epic one-handers (Suneater and Fireguard).

I can't give you really expert advice but I think that you need to replace your two weapons because the ones you have are for tanking (save one for when you need to tank or off-tank though). Try to get the epic dps leggings from H Mech if you can as those would make a great upgrade to your tank-oriented leggings. The PVP epics are nice but they tend to be a bit heavy on the resilience (not that useful for PVE). For my DPS set (for farming mainly) I have tried to stack AP, Hit and Crit followed by Str and Agi.

Great, thanks for the information. I'll start working on my weaknesses. I knew there was something that just was not right.

Ya'll are great. Can gear be re-socketed?

Thanks
B

Yeah, I have been looking stuff up on the net right now in terms of his suggestions. I'm glad I asked before I got to far. My first priority is to re-socket what I can afford. Farm/mine/quest and re-enter BG's for the DPS swords I had on the list. I have a looong way to go.

Thank you again ya'll for your help,
B

sometimes, it's even wise to just socket everything with 8 str gems. some items do not give enough of a dps bonus from proper socketing.

As for instances to focus on gear, you should look into plugging your stats into;

http://www.maxdps.com/warrior/dps.php

I dont really understand that website...but I'm not going to take the time to piddle fart around with it either.

Kriss, I'm not sure I agree with you there. Sure, the arena weapons are fantastic (even for PVE), but the armour is far too Sta and Res based to be all that beneficial from a DPS perspective.

There are one or 2 exceptions, but generally it's best to pick and chose the Arena stuff .. don't get it simply cos it's epix and has some big numbers. The biggest problem is that it lacks horribly in the AP department .. nice crit numbers though, which makes sure that you can't ignore it totally.

An illustration : we had a rogue join our guild (kara only at this stage), and he was fully S1 geared with S2 weapons. We figured he'd be the new damage meter topper. Not so .. he has never been above 3rd ... and I know he's tried hard. The gear just doesn't stand up to the pure DPS gear our DPS warrior / Mage and Enh Shammy have. His HP is off the charts .. but if he intends being hit that often ... he's doing a shoddy job.

Just My opinion ;-)

To answer the OP (and echo a few views here) .. yup - dump the weapons ... grind a bit of honour and get 2 x S1 one handers (the 2.6 speed) ones.

Get a Blacksmith buddy to craft you some of the Ragesteel stuff ... it's ultra good for DPS (no sta, but the balance of you PvP stuff will make up for that). Get the Helm of second sight from the SMV quest line and the Chestplate of A'Dal from Netherstorm - reasonably long quest line, with an elite fight at the end, but quite doable solo.

This is the advice I gave a buddy of mine who has just got back into it all ofter a long layoff. He dinged 70 8 months ago, and all he had was some really bad green drops. I made him the Ragesteel gloves and shoulders, he got the helm and chest ... PvP'd for a week and got 2 S1 swords.

The first night he was back, we were grouping with him (to say hi, etc), and his DPS was in the 250 region. Last night, we were doing the Ogri'la starter quests, and his DPS topped 500. And he has NO enchants yet... Russki's enchant list is about as solid as it gets.

Good luck, have fun and report back often ;-)

Russki, you are entirely correct. I should have mentioned the +4crit/+4str gems. The main reason I recommended the +8 crit gems is because he's so far away from 25% crit, that I don't think he's going to get close with the +4crit/+4str gems.

Without getting to 25% crit, I'd argue that he'd be losing more DPS due to flurry downtime than he would gain with a little more attack power from the additional strength.

However, once you can get to a base of 25% crit and 1500 AP, I would agree that +4crit/+4str gems should be used in all yellow sockets.

some more things re: your character CC

talents :

grab AM over 2/2 OP.

IN FACT, I would suggest taking both points out of improved OP and putting one in AM and the last one into imp HS.

on fury side - 1) piercing howl is near worthless for raids and pve in general
2) Weapon mastery > precision. You would do better getting 2/2 WM and 1/3 precision rather than 3/3 prec. and 0/0 WM.
3) you should only put ONE point into imp. WW so it doesn't interfere with your BT cd.

suggestions - take out PH point, take out imp WW point and put them both into WM.

Some more about your gear - from a non-gem perspective

grab 2 pieces from the doomplate set (def. legs, maybe the gloves...) for the 2 piece 35 bonus hit rating.

also, the s2 belt is one of the best you can get for quite a long time. Same with obviously the rings and other misc. rewards.



edit: to the above poster

you don't need imp. OP to give you the bonus for the t5 gear set. those 2 points overall will grand you a higher dps increase if put elsewhere.

personally, I run with 1/2 imp OP and 1/1 AM instead of putting both points into imp. OP. (I don't have imp tclap because my guild doesn't need me to, so i have 3/3 imp hs and 2/5 iron will)

Edited, Jan 23rd 2008 3:32pm by russki

most of tier bonuses for all classes are kind of a joke :/

Sorry, I should have qualified what I meant by Arena items ... I was talking about S2 and to a lesser extent S1. My point is that in order to get anything that's better than the ragesteel stuff ... you need to go as far as S3 gear ... bear in mind that S3 shoulders require you to do a bit more than pitch up 10 times a week.

Another point about the crafted items, is that they are incredibly easy to get hold of ... you'll find more than a small handfull of blacksmiths who can craft them.

Also, don't forget about the +20 hit bonus if you have 2 Ragesteel pieces.

Please don't get me wrong, I firmly believe in the virtues of the Arena gear, it really is good stuff, my advice, however, is to assess the gear as it comes, and go from there.

btw ... the Ragesteel chestplate sucks big time. Even the S1 chest is better in all departments, rather look at pairing the shoulders with the Ragesteel gloves. However, if you can put the time and effort into becoming Arena Savvy .. sure, go for the S3 stuff. It clearly IS what's going to improve your DPS ... especially with the armour reducing stats nowadays.

p.s. No, I'm not trying to get everybody to /w me for a set of Ragesteel gear ;-) ... I just believe that, for someone (like me), who can't put extended amounts of time into this game, they are made of lotsa win ;-)

Edited, Jan 24th 2008 11:37am by robertlofthouse

As far as easy non-PvP gear goes ... the easiest to get hold of (and it's pretty decent) is the Chestplate of A'Dal ( http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30258 ).. .quest reward from a netherstorm quest line.

As for drops ... the Crimsonforge Breastplate ( http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27906 ) from heroic ramparts is also a good bet ... pretty even with the A'dal piece on AP and crit .. the a'dal piece has much higher hit though, where the crimsonforge has quite a bit more stamina ... for DPS .. a'dal wins

Don't get me wrong ... the Ragesteel (yup, there I go again ;->) chest is actually way ahead of them both in AP (50 str vs ~35) and just ahead in crit (29 vs ~25) .. but it has no hit (unless you can count in the set bonus of 20 - in which case it's a clear winner imo).

Bear one thing in mind with regard to Hit ... if you've gotten yourself to around 10% hit with talents, then the massive increase in AP and crit that the RS chest gives you will far outweigh the extra hit on the other 2.

I just realised that I haven't even provided an answer to the OP .. so here's my take :

My gear is 3/3 Veteran's plate "set" (belt, boots and bracers), Veteran's ring, 2 pieces of Ragesteel (gloves and shoulders), S1 chest, helm of 2nd sight, Natasha's Choker (quest reward from BEM), a level 63 cloak (my one weak piece), legguards of the shattered hand, and Bladefists Breadth and Ogre Maulers Badge. All of which are easily obtained on your own (or with a grouping up for the end of a quest line), or crafted. All items are enchanted according to Russki's list above with the exception of my helm (still trying to eek out revered rep with CE, a slight problem when you don't do instances). My weapons are the Planar edge and the S1 off hand axe. My AP is 1750 and crit is 30.7%.

We did the Ogri'la quests the other night and I averaged around 750-800 dps on all the fights. So I would say .. that's the minimum you should be (in terms of pure stats - the actual DPS in Kara and the like won't be that high .. more around the 600 mark).

There are lots of drops in instances, raids, etc which will improve on basically all of that gear. Problem for me is that I can't make gaps in my schedule to do that effectivly, so I mapped a gear route for myself solo, and I think I've done pretty well for myself on that basis.

The only thing OP, don't go too crazy with the ragesteel items since it's very minimal stam on them. You don't need 11k stam, but if you go down to 6-7k you're not very efficient for a raid/heroic since you just wont be able to take a hit. Beside that, like everyone else has suggested get the new s1 weaps, this is going to be the most noticiable upgrade. After that work on your rings/trinkets.

If you want, you can armory me (Totao) as I'm also D/W fury and I just started kara on this toon, so everything I have is accessible to you. Yesterday I was running heroic mech and my dps was with the gear you see was 601 throughout the instance. I usually average around 550-600. As you can see my crit is right about 23%(in zerker stance). I'm getting a vindicator piece soon(prob the wrists) which should put me almost at 25% crit. Quite honestly I feel very comfortable with my hit where it is, I've never tried to bring it down below where it is atm, because I figure most of my damage comes from white damage(55-60% usually). WW is a nice ability, but it's rather difficult to use when you have a bunch of CC everywhere, so I've been iffy about dropping more hit for crit/str.