Nowhere I stated that, 24k is minimum requirement for pre Kara, I just said that it was relatively easy for my style of play to achieve that mark. Just making this clear, 22k(assuming you are mainly Off tank) would be fine for minimum for Kara, Kara is actually easier than some heroics, also 24k is kind of necessary to start doing Heroics. That is from personal experience, oh my gear choices were influenced by Heroics tanking and current setup aside from obvious ups, like t4 and S3 chest.
Edited, Jan 25th 2008 5:02pm by Elustriel
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If the mob was hitting for 1k damage before armor was a factor, then yeah, going from 20k to 24k would reduce the damage you take by 43 (you'd go from taking ~380 damage to ~340 damage). But if a (73 boss) mob is hitting you for 1k damage with 20k armor, going up to 24k armor would reduce the damage taken to ~894 (base damage here being about 2630).
Just using Non-heroic drops, quest rewards, and blue BOEs, I got uncrittable, 25-28% dodge, 13-14k health, and 20-23k armor on Rawr. This is as a NE, using the cheap shoulder glyphs and leg armor kit, glyph of the defender, etc. A tauren would have more health and less dodge.
Just using Non-heroic drops, quest rewards, and blue BOEs, I got uncrittable, 25-28% dodge, 13-14k health, and 20-23k armor on Rawr. This is as a NE, using the cheap shoulder glyphs and leg armor kit, glyph of the defender, etc. A tauren would have more health and less dodge.
Ok, I don't want to beat an undead horse because this link seems pretty much dead, but....I MT'd Kara this weekend with my druid. Total armor was a little over 20K, 21K with all buffs and armor pots. And tanking was a breeze. No problems whatsoever at 21K. I can now say for sure 24K is excessive unless you have 1. A really really bad healer or 2. A really really bad tank.
My tank gear isn't the best and I wouldn't say I'm a great tank but we had no problems in a PUG Kara run mind you. I stand by my earlier assertion.
My tank gear isn't the best and I wouldn't say I'm a great tank but we had no problems in a PUG Kara run mind you. I stand by my earlier assertion.
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Just curious, but how far did you main tank in Kara with only 21k armor? I can see tanking the lower portion up to say Curator with that much, but I couldn't imagine tanking something like Nightbane with only 21k armor without some really over-geared healers.
ZosaOnDragonmaw wrote:
My tank gear isn't the best and I wouldn't say I'm a great tank but we had no problems in a PUG Kara run mind you. I stand by my earlier assertion.
Your tank gear sucks if you are barely 20k when entering kara and oting trash doesn't really count. If you somehow did tank prince/nightbane, it was only because others carried you and luck. I wouldn't be proud of that.
Torzak wrote:
I'm bowing out of this conversation
Apparently I lied, because here I am.
Elustriel wrote:
Your tank gear sucks if you are barely 20k when entering kara and oting trash doesn't really count. If you somehow did tank prince/nightbane, it was only because others carried you and luck. I wouldn't be proud of that.
Considering the title of this thread, and to allow myself to be clear: "Entry level Kara & Gruul stats"...
I'm now going to label Elustriel as an elitist for having said what you have.
You seem to have no respect for this thread's purpose, you lay claim to 21k armor as 'sucks' and tell someone that you wouldn't be proud of the accomplishment because they were carried through or luck...
This thread wasn't titled "Main tanking kara and the stats you should have"
This thread wasn't titled "You're not allowed to have well geared healers to Main Tank kara"
So going off on that tangent is stupid.
Everyone has to start somewhere, and the truth of the matter is that the average druid player will not have 24k as a minimum base line for armor before they do kara their first time.
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JeeBar wrote:
My $.02 as a novice who's on the Kara bubble myself (although on the "ready side" I think, given my mad skeelz) is that 24k armor is pretty damn hard to achieve, 24% dodge is very low, and 13k HP is a good benchmark.
highRfrequenC wrote:
I main tanked kara up through curator with 12k health and 20k armor and that was with healers who were sitting on 1k - 1.2k healing. With those numbers you are almost requiring that they farm gold to buy all the BoE epics available and farm heroics for a month or more. If you do have a team that can drag them through kara for gear, just get them geared up so they can start helping you run 25 man content sooner.
Lorimath wrote:
12k HP sounds really, really low. I had 14.1k HP on dinging 70, and that's without my Heavy Clefthoof chest and leggings, which I'm gonna make once I get the leather. Conversely, 24k armor seems high. With my gear, I'm sitting at 20k armor. I imagine I can easily get it to 22k or so, but higher than that, and I don't know if I'll be able to do it pre-Kara / heroics.
AnotherSquirrel wrote:
I have been in all 3 positions for Kara. I first entered in as an OT. My stats were 12.5k unbuffed health, 20k armour and 29% dodge. I managed to successfully tank everything up to and including Curator with these stats. (had 16k buffed health).
ZosaOnDragonmaw wrote:
24K armor seems really high. I have all s1 (and an s3) gear and vind gear and with my badge of tenacity and tanking stuff I'm barely at 20K. Granted I don't know what I would be with the Clefthoof set on, but I can't imagine that would get me to 24K. The dodge does seem a bit low too, I'd up that a point or two.
CamelToad wrote:
IMO it all depends on how far you expect to go right off the bat. I think it's ridiculous to expect that people purchase BoE epics before going to Kara. Kara, especially the beginning, is entirely doable with Blues from the level 70 instances and quest rewards. It's all a matter of knowing the strategies. Personally I'd rather go in a little bit early and be able to gear up from the first 4-5 bosses than wait a few weeks for everyone to get their drops from instances. As long as you guys go in knowing that you're not going farther than that, you'll have a great time.
With that said, I'll agree with the others that have said that your Armor req's are too high, and your HP and dodge are too low for bear tanks.
With that said, I'll agree with the others that have said that your Armor req's are too high, and your HP and dodge are too low for bear tanks.
Amazing...
Edited, Jan 28th 2008 10:18pm by Torzak
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Torzak wrote:
Torzak wrote:
I'm bowing out of this conversation
Apparently I lied, because here I am.
And puttin' in the TIME to back up his point! LOL
Rate up for appropriately persistent dedication to an informed opinion.
Rate me down or w/e. It won't change the fact that you have a big rod stuck up your ***. And 20k is crap gear if you are entering Kara, if you can't put enough even bare minimum effort to get above 20k. You have no sympathy from me. If this somehow makes me elitst, great. /pfft I'll take elitist any day over no skill slack *** that puts no effort whatsoever in their character, and under performs, even if it is just gear.
Edited, Jan 29th 2008 8:53am by Elustriel
Edited, Jan 29th 2008 8:53am by Elustriel
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Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
courtesy of the druid 101 thread.
"Gear to get at level 70
To start raiding Karazhan a tank should be fitted to a minimum of 12k Health, 415 Defense (with Survival of the Fittest), 20k Armor, and 25% Dodge. A healer should be stacked with at least 1000 +Healing, 6k Health, and 8500 Mana."
Edited, Jan 29th 2008 10:31am by Ramux
courtesy of the druid 101 thread.
"Gear to get at level 70
To start raiding Karazhan a tank should be fitted to a minimum of 12k Health, 415 Defense (with Survival of the Fittest), 20k Armor, and 25% Dodge. A healer should be stacked with at least 1000 +Healing, 6k Health, and 8500 Mana."
Edited, Jan 29th 2008 10:31am by Ramux
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oops double post sry.
Edited, Jan 29th 2008 11:21am by Ramux
Edited, Jan 29th 2008 11:21am by Ramux
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