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#1 Jan 21 2008 at 10:32 PM Rating: Decent
So, this may be impossible for anyone to answer, but i figured id give it a shot. I regularly run kara on my Holy Pally, we usually bring along a Resto Shammy and a Resto Druid. Now the bulk of the guild has never raided before, and i myself have neverhealed on a raid before so im not exactly sure what the norms are. I basically spam FoL all night, never go oom and noone really dies, our raids go pretty flawlessly. But after checking out the healing meters each night i notice that im doing upwards of 70% of the healing. Is this normal for paladins? Are the other 2 slacking off? Or are they just not able to compete with the constant spamming? I want to make sure everyone is contributing as much as they can, i dont really know how to word it, but is there anyway to know if they are actually slacking off.

The only 2 things that i thought was to compare the healing done and the overhealing to see if maybe my heals are just hitting before theirs. And also reset the meters before the boss fights, since honestly trash doesnt matter, but i want to make sure they are pulling their weight on the bosses. Does anyone else have any suggestions?
#2 Jan 21 2008 at 10:54 PM Rating: Decent
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for the resto druid especially, it may be that even if he is using his HoT's you're then healing the same person. Druid HoT's only count as healing if they actually heal the person. If a tic of the heal would do no healing it won't count. You might be overriding his heals. He may be slacking also. I'm not there to see what's going on. The shaman though... um, he should have more direct heals and chain heals so he should be keeping up w/ you at the very least. Possibly ahead in overall healing unless your gear is that much ahead of his.
#3 Jan 22 2008 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a similar situation in my Kara team, in that we have a resto druid, me (holy pally) and a priest. The priest always comes bottom of heal metres by a good 10-15% and it frustrates me.

Watch their raid behaviour. Are they at the back casting but just not getting the heal out in time, or are they slacking off, looking like they're afk or goofing around and therefore can't be bothered to get the heal out in time? If it's the latter, have a word with the RL or GM if appropriate. If it's the former, have a word with them and set particular targets for each healer so none are in danger of duplicate (or over) healing.

#4 Jan 22 2008 at 6:20 AM Rating: Good
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Before passing any judgments based on your personal healing meters, run combat logs through WWS and check who heals who for how much with what ability, who overheals whom and by how much.
If the resto druid has massive overhealing on the same target you are healing, you are probably overwriting most of his HoT ticks, for instance.

Get accurate data, discuss it with the other healers, and check for areas where healing efforts can be optimized instead of assuming the others are slacking. If you have a well-oiled raid where most of the damage gets concentrated on one single tank, the shammie won't have much opportunity to chain heal. Also beware of spells like Earth Shield which gets attributed to whoever it is cast on instead of the shammie, for instance.

In short, based on your description, there's no possible conclusion regarding the performance of your healer corps except that you need better data.
#5 Jan 22 2008 at 7:27 AM Rating: Default
Most healing meters only pick up direct heals, HoTs are not going to show. You should always beat a Druid and Priest. But if you are doubling up a shaman's healing percentage, I would really look into getting another one or bringing something else. You should beat them in heals too, since they are doing other things, but it should not be a huge distance between you and the shaman.
#6 Jan 22 2008 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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In my Khara group, we have 2 pallies and 1 priest or 1 pally and 2 priests depending on who's available(we have no resto druids in the guild). The two healers healing the main tanks tend to be within a few percent of each other on healing and the one healing the dps(and in charge of dispels) tends to be 10% below simply because DPS doesn't need to be healed as much. So depending on what your role is, being behind on heal meters doesn't necessarily mean you're slacking.

On the other hand, if you notice someone is always late on heals or is hanging around doing squat while you're struggling to keep the tank alive, then it's time for yelling.

edited for clarification

Edited, Jan 22nd 2008 3:40pm by BlackoutCC
#7 Jan 22 2008 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
Healing meters, especially if you are using DamageMeters, are pretty useless in most cases. I tend to take all data with a grain of salt.

In my last guild, our main holy priest respeced shadow because she was upset that she didn't show up on the top 5 healers in a Gruuls run. It's silly how much people rely on this data and take it personally.

As a pally, you have 3 heals to speak of. Holy shock isn't all that awesome in a raid, so that brings us down to 2. Our healing style is to spam. Spam spam spam spam spam. This is not how priests and druids heal, so of course a pally healer is going to top the charts in some raid setups.

As for healing a tank, we are the best single target healers in the game. That's what we do! Try doing Prince without some HoTs in there, though. It's not fun. We rely on druids and priests to fill in the gaps, while we are watching the tanks health drop fast and watching our cast bar slowly creep up for that crucial Holy Light.

But I'm not in there with you to observe, so they very well might be slacking.
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