Hyjal Attuned.
T6 here I come!
/Kaelthas down in only 4 nights.
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Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
nice dude
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLO GRATS ON NERFED KAEL LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
EDIT: Not enough of a R&D Forum feel in the first pass.
Expect to blow through the start of T6, it only starts to get hard again past 3/5 Hyjal (Azgalor) and 3/9 BT (Teron, Gurtogg or RoS, depending upon raid composition and competency). Enjoy your free lootses.
Edited, Jan 22nd 2008 12:23am by RPZip
EDIT: Not enough of a R&D Forum feel in the first pass.
Expect to blow through the start of T6, it only starts to get hard again past 3/5 Hyjal (Azgalor) and 3/9 BT (Teron, Gurtogg or RoS, depending upon raid composition and competency). Enjoy your free lootses.
Edited, Jan 22nd 2008 12:23am by RPZip
I was surprised how easy he was.
Phase 1 is Kara easy. Phase 2, 3, 4 are all about just having everyone sure of kill order and what there job was. Tonight we were consistently downing weapons before 2 minutes were up, all bosses were down before Kael was up.
We really worked on phase 4 and phase 5, also dealing with tiny mistakes. Got him into phase 5 but people were unsure about anti grav and fell to their deaths and we couldnt salvage it. Last pull of the night we made it through and one guy dead.
Phase 1 is Kara easy. Phase 2, 3, 4 are all about just having everyone sure of kill order and what there job was. Tonight we were consistently downing weapons before 2 minutes were up, all bosses were down before Kael was up.
We really worked on phase 4 and phase 5, also dealing with tiny mistakes. Got him into phase 5 but people were unsure about anti grav and fell to their deaths and we couldnt salvage it. Last pull of the night we made it through and one guy dead.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Yeah... P1 was never hard, even when they actually had their real HP values, but it's mainly to teach people what to do. It just took so long each attempt unless you flamed out early would take about 20 minutes easy.
With ~20% more HP for everything, though, phases 2 and 3 used to be significant DPS/coordination checks. After the nerf, they're really not too bad. P4/P5 is all coordination and people not messing up, with a very light DPS component. I'm pretty sure Vashj is the more challenging encounter now.
With ~20% more HP for everything, though, phases 2 and 3 used to be significant DPS/coordination checks. After the nerf, they're really not too bad. P4/P5 is all coordination and people not messing up, with a very light DPS component. I'm pretty sure Vashj is the more challenging encounter now.
Indeed.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
My guild went back to TK for an attunement and all they were doing was laughing at how easy it was (I had to go to a fraternity meeting so only signed on at the end of the raid). It kinda irritates me how much they've taken challenge out of the game. Nearly any time you get to a boss that has an actual gear/skill check, they nerf it. They're really starting to cater to the casual player, and it sucks.
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They're really starting to cater to the casual player, and it sucks.
how else they gonna get peeps who have bussy lives and already have a few lvl 70's. they could do what eq does and add aa's but dont see that happening.
eather way it's all about the money and if makeing it so casual player can get raid items pretty easy then thats whatthey will do.
Dilbrt wrote:
They're really starting to cater to the casual player, and it sucks.
I don't remember "Because they have a job" as being a good reason to gimp someone. Not everyone has time to play that much WoW. Should they be denied new end-game content? WoW based its popularity versus EQII on catering to the casual player. Saying "They're really starting to cater to the casual player" is like saying "Geez, Stalin's starting to sound kind of left-wing, isn't he?"
"Casual player" should not mean the same thing as "bad player", but for a lot of people the terms are interchangeable. They shouldn't be.
If you have time to raid for a few hours a few nights a week, you're not really that casual. Pre-TBC, the argument for more 'casual' content was not that it should be easier, but that it should be doable in smaller chunks to conform better to flexible schedules. At least in theory, in no way should that mean that it has to become easier. Things like removing trash respawns/trash period help this, since it gives you more flexibility on when to go into the instance rather than being locked in for X hours due to the way the trash works.
Making the boss easier shouldn't play any part in it - if it takes ten hours of attempts to learn boss X, guild A may do it in three days and guild B may do it over three weeks depending upon how much time they invest in it, and how much time they use doing other things both in and out of the game. That'd be balanced, and that's what they really should strive for. Nerfing the boss so it now takes five hours is... well, that's not catering to casual players. That's catering to bad players. There is a difference.
You could be a casual guild and have downed Illidan, or a 'hardcore' guild that's struggling to get past SSC. I mean, hell... I don't raid more than two or three times a week now (well... I do run the occassional ZA on off-time) because that's how long it takes to clear Hyjal and BT. I don't think that makes me a casual player by any means.
If you have time to raid for a few hours a few nights a week, you're not really that casual. Pre-TBC, the argument for more 'casual' content was not that it should be easier, but that it should be doable in smaller chunks to conform better to flexible schedules. At least in theory, in no way should that mean that it has to become easier. Things like removing trash respawns/trash period help this, since it gives you more flexibility on when to go into the instance rather than being locked in for X hours due to the way the trash works.
Making the boss easier shouldn't play any part in it - if it takes ten hours of attempts to learn boss X, guild A may do it in three days and guild B may do it over three weeks depending upon how much time they invest in it, and how much time they use doing other things both in and out of the game. That'd be balanced, and that's what they really should strive for. Nerfing the boss so it now takes five hours is... well, that's not catering to casual players. That's catering to bad players. There is a difference.
You could be a casual guild and have downed Illidan, or a 'hardcore' guild that's struggling to get past SSC. I mean, hell... I don't raid more than two or three times a week now (well... I do run the occassional ZA on off-time) because that's how long it takes to clear Hyjal and BT. I don't think that makes me a casual player by any means.
Congrats, Bodh.
Unfortunately, I still haven't made it past Shade in Kara. Personally, I'm capable of it, but one man does not a successful raid make, and I just can't find a good guild on Gorefiend to settle into.
You basta'd.
Unfortunately, I still haven't made it past Shade in Kara. Personally, I'm capable of it, but one man does not a successful raid make, and I just can't find a good guild on Gorefiend to settle into.
You basta'd.
RPZip wrote:
"Casual player" should not mean the same thing as "bad player", but for a lot of people the terms are interchangeable. They shouldn't be.
Amen.
We still have bad hardcore players in our guild, and good casual ones.
This one resto shammy died to Thaladred the Darkener 5 times in one night on phase one. Why? Because he figured walking backwards was a solid game plan. We have a hunter who still at end t5 content can't walk outside of a simple aoe patch. People who after downing a boss once a week every week for 8+ weeks fall apart if the raid leader isnt holding their hand.
Then there was my EQII guild. Raided 2-3 nights a week, could bring anyone along, perhaps 3-4 people using vent, the rest just shooting the **** on chat. They downed the EQII version of Illidan not long after the server first kill.
This one resto shammy died to Thaladred the Darkener 5 times in one night on phase one. Why? Because he figured walking backwards was a solid game plan. We have a hunter who still at end t5 content can't walk outside of a simple aoe patch. People who after downing a boss once a week every week for 8+ weeks fall apart if the raid leader isnt holding their hand.
Then there was my EQII guild. Raided 2-3 nights a week, could bring anyone along, perhaps 3-4 people using vent, the rest just shooting the **** on chat. They downed the EQII version of Illidan not long after the server first kill.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Who's EQII's Illidan? I'm genuinely curious.
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They're really starting to cater to the whinging, whining players who don't have the dogged determination, game play talent and/or proper knowledge of their jobs and the fight, and it sucks.
Fixed.
Grats Bodhi.
Dilberrt wrote:
Massive GRATZ to Bohdi and anyone doing the kool raids I'll most likely never see, but the elitist attitude could stand to be dialed down a notch (no intended accusation of anyone on this forum).
QFT
I know my guild has a lot of talent, and if we put in the (insert everything required) to get to BT, we could have been there by now. There's been numerous guilds that have progressed through Tier 5 and started Tier 6 that have expressed interest in me joining their ranks, but I've turned them down. I look at the top guilds on my server and 9/10 members of those guilds have the, "I'm in BT, I'm better than thou," attitude, and it makes me sick, hence a big reason why I don't go for those guilds. Sure I wanna see the content, but snobbery seems to be a requirement for it (at least on Bloodhoof). Sorry, /rant off :S
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EQ is dying because it caters to hard-core players (among other reasons), it's why we left and enjoy the crap out of WoW. Make a game where only 30-40 hour per week, raiders can get barely out of the newbie zones, and all you'll be left with as a player base is 30-40 hour per week hard-core peeps.
yep thats the point i was trying to make. but i sometimes miss those long raids plane of time 72 peeps 8-10 hours straight. but like you 1 kid 1 in oven wife days i'm nights house over 100 years old, just moved in and in middle of fixing stuff. but i still do a good job tanking ramps with my 28.8kbps while **** drunk lol. to me they sorta make wow alittle too easy with all the addons you can use. all i had in eq was costume interfaces. no threat meter no quest helper no grid or anything like that. but i cant go back to eq cause i dont have the time to raid all the time to get end game stuff shoot i dont even have time to raid now to get end game stuff or even to lvl up lol.
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