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So, SL/SL. Why 24/37 over 27/34?Follow

#1 Jan 20 2008 at 9:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Now I'm sure there's a reason, but why:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRckoZbxczIiz0es

Instead of!
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRskRZbxczIiz0xs

Is it the 3% crit reduction, or the -15% damage to pet? Or, both?

And presumably they're more valuable than the 4% shadow damage or the (tiny) chance for free Shadow Bolts for reasons I should really know. :x
#2 Jan 20 2008 at 10:09 PM Rating: Decent
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actually theyre both wrong, you should be using this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRbkoZbxczIizzes

Demonic resilience is just what it says, 3% more resilience. This build focuses on surviving, and outlasting your opponents. Not damage. You want to live, not burn. You dont need emp. corruption or shadow mastery. Put just 1 into mana feed. Your pet will need it, once you get higher up, ive had games take over an hour, he'll need the mana.
#3 Jan 20 2008 at 10:55 PM Rating: Good
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it's personnal preferance, personnally i go for this version:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVzrVkfzoZbxczIiz0es

in the end it's probably a bit of a "what is your resiliance and hp at currently" situation. if your hp and resiliance are low, then survivability is what it's all about. but if you have a decent amount of health and resiliance then you can focus your talents more on improving your damage, and you can't win an arena without damage so it is just as important too. though 1 reason why it's 24/37 over 27/34 is primarily because of demonic resiliance. the bonus damage gained from DK is incredabily useful too.

1 thing though that's true of all SL/SL builds. if you're ever up against a caster, you're designed to out last their mana (drain it), rather than try and dps them down as SL/SL can barely create sustainable dps, let alone anything worth worrying about for any healer. it is to be a nuisance. and if taking damage isn't an issue for you any more, then dealing that little bit extra will make you ever more the annoyance.
#4 Jan 21 2008 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Mana Feed is essential to an SL/SL spec. Virtually pointless for you to be able to have an Outlast build when your pet is going OOM in the first minute of the Match.
#5 Jan 21 2008 at 12:46 PM Rating: Default
Well you can spec two ways wtih SL/SL. One is for more servivability and resilienace against warrior/rogue teams who often go for your pet allot.

The other way is for more outright damage to compensate for the lack of burst dps SL/SL spec has.

i personally like the DPS variant: LINK

Spec choice often matters on who much hp/resilence you have and if you run with a healer or another DPS.
#6 Jan 21 2008 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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I never take empowered corruption and I have 12.3k hp and 379 resil. I mostly 2v2 with a healer though, and we have a very effective drain strategy, basically run the other healer OOM and keep em in combat. Druids are annoying but with chain fears we keep them in combat 98% of the time. Dots are easy to heal through, and even with empowered corruption SL/SL has no burst, so I'd rather just win the mana war while staying alive through the enemy burst. If it's 2x enemy dps I have the HP and resil to stay alive through it anyways, so burst damage is irrelevant.
#7 Jan 21 2008 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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mana feed isn't essential at all. i've been in matches lasting well over 10min and my pet has NEVER gone OOM, remember once it's dispelled all the buffs from your target, after that point it'll just be regenning mana and at a decent rate too
#8 Jan 21 2008 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry for hijacking the thread, GreenRabite.

Any suggestions on a Battleground build? Is SL/SL viable there or should I skip Soul Link and go for more Affliction/Destruction instead? I do like the survivability of the Soul Link talent, but being able to throw Shadowburns and Unstable Afflictions around is more effective while I'm in the back.

I mainly do Alterac Valley, Arathi Basin and Eye of the Storm. Not so much Arathi Basin, though.
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#9 Jan 22 2008 at 11:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Jenovaomega wrote:
mana feed isn't essential at all. i've been in matches lasting well over 10min and my pet has NEVER gone OOM, remember once it's dispelled all the buffs from your target, after that point it'll just be regenning mana and at a decent rate too



I intentionally keep detect invisibility up on me at all times for this very reason, if they don't have mana feed, their pet will go OOM.

Also, if you fighting a team with a druid, your pet will go OOM without mana feed. Thats a lot of dispelling.

However, in the event that your pet does go OOM, you can fel. dom. another one out, assuming your healer has the mana to let you tap.
#10 Jan 23 2008 at 3:24 AM Rating: Decent
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why dispel all the lifeblooms when you can just run out their mana? easier solution and as i've said. i've yet to have mana issues with my pet
#11 Jan 23 2008 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Jenovaomega wrote:
why dispel all the lifeblooms when you can just run out their mana? easier solution and as i've said. i've yet to have mana issues with my pet


If you dispell a HoT he will have to cast it again and thus use up more of his mana.
#12 Jan 23 2008 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
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mana feed isn't essential at all. i've been in matches lasting well over 10min and my pet has NEVER gone OOM, remember once it's dispelled all the buffs from your target, after that point it'll just be regenning mana and at a decent rate too


People rebuff with rank 1's all the time. As a mage, I rebuff everything (rank 1) just so I can keep ice barrier up against the stupid felhunter (or dispell happy priest, purging shamans etc..). If I were a priest I'd do the same so I could stay bubbled with renews ticking. It's the same reason locks use detect invis and underwater breathing in PVP, buff padding.

If you steal my dampen magic, arcane int and ice armor, I'm not going to spend 1800 mana reapplying all the max rank spells. But I sure as heck am gonna rebuff rank 1s whenever I can, so you only have a 25% chance of eating my ice barrier every 8 seconds instead of 100% chance.
#13 Jan 23 2008 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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go up against a lock+druid or lock pally. mana isn't an issue for either class so all we'll do waste out your mana, use devour to remove CCs and spell lock when needed. once we've got rid of the max rank version of all your abilities we really don't need to worry about dispelling any more. in 2v2 and 3v3 it's all about outlasting and the best way to do that is simply to drain mana. in 5v5's SL/SL doesn't have much viability anyways, UA is far more useful so as to protect everyones debuffs.
i must say. the people who just leave their felhound on auto dispel make me sick. complete waste of mana and GCDs plus it's incredably predictable. i can happily wait for a devour. put up detect invis/UW breathing and use the GCD of the pet as time for me to cast a fear as he happily devours my buff instead, leaving the poor lock screaming and slamming his keyboard as he pet doesn't CS me at the right time, leaving him/his buddy feared, me with having a 3sec silence which i can dispel and no CS.
#14 Jan 24 2008 at 6:56 AM Rating: Decent
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With my spec, the only other option to replace 1pt in mana feed is 1pt in empowered corruption. I guess I've just never played without that point in mana feed, so it's not a big deal to me. If you're pet truely never runs OOM, I guess thats the better option (corruption).

It sounds like you play with a druid (overpowered :P) so you don't have to worry about devouring sheep off him so much, though my priest did have dispell magic which your drood wouldn't have.

Your drood can also keep enemy droods in combat much easier then my priest could, so I had to rely on things like devouring hots while my priest spammed dispell when the druid was caught in a fear chain at 20% health, when we're trying to finish a burst. Druids truely were our bane, especially druid/rogue teams.

Life would have been much easier with a rogue/mage/paladin/druid teammate instead.
#15 Jan 24 2008 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Sorry for hijacking the thread, GreenRabite.

Any suggestions on a Battleground build? Is SL/SL viable there or should I skip Soul Link and go for more Affliction/Destruction instead? I do like the survivability of the Soul Link talent, but being able to throw Shadowburns and Unstable Afflictions around is more effective while I'm in the back.

I mainly do Alterac Valley, Arathi Basin and Eye of the Storm. Not so much Arathi Basin, though.


I just BG in whatever spec I'm currently playing. I prefer doing BG's in arena spec, just for the extra practice. I hate being on 2 servers, I had to give up raiding on 1 of my toons, and sadly I chose the warlock. So now I'm always SL/SL, it works quite well for me. But any spec can work really in ultra large scale PVP, but I still prefer SL/SL. Especially in WSG, which is smaller scale PVP. With a healer + skill you can win 2v4 in the enemy flag room and come out with decent HP and the flag. I suppose you could do that with UA as well, but not as easily.

I've even done BG's in 0/21/40 raid spec.

If you just want to top damage meters, UA is probably best but you can do quite well as SL/SL as well (often 1st by a mile). If you want to defend objectives I feel SL/SL is better because you're more likely to win outnumbered encounters, such as 1v2 or 2v3, 2v4 @ an enemy tower (EoTS), bunker/tower (AV) or flag node (AB).
#16 Jan 24 2008 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
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actually, if you check my profile i play with a pally, so again sheep isn't to much of an issue (blessing of sacrifice ftw) but i still do it when needed. and if you're only putting 1 point into emp.cor. tbh you're better off with it in mana feed, but if you can get 3 into emp.cor, i'd reconmend it.
#17 Feb 13 2008 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
Wow everyone is bantering about mana consumption/regain, with pets,... with lifetap, SL/SL 28/33 I take the caster/plate caster and use my pet as a late secondary. curse of tongues, Siphon life, CoA, Corr, fear, drain life, tap, tap, drain mana, curse of tongues, fear, drain mana spam,.. and so on,,.. then if hes down 2 %30 i bring spell lock/devour out on the 12 year pre-pubescent girl im pwning,....
#18 Feb 13 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
I just dont rely on my pet alot, accept for dispell/lock,.... stam buff. Its all about Autocaste off, and Macro Mastery. ^^
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