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Just need it to work for anything, and it will break.

I love ollie.

And yea, where's the magical "it's Monday so we'll talk to you" post? The forums are still quiet.

the bug forum is a beautiful sight atm.

we coordinated and everyone created new threads about stealth being broken. Raelie made like 5 threads cursing at blizzard in different languages. Its a sight to see.

Bannings will be distributed im sure.

I can't find the post, but someone theorized that Blizzard knew about this bug all along, saw it would be very costly to fix, and left it in the game as a form of pseudo-balance, nerfing rogues via bug.

Hopefully they won't take the problem out of context.

I.e. Future Patch Notes

Sapped Individuals were able to bring rogues out of combat approximately five seconds into the duration of sap. To fix this, we have decreased the duration of sap to five seconds. This should fix the problem.

Edited, Jan 22nd 2008 10:08pm by Shaolinz

It's funny how many of those posters simply don't believe the CM. I too remain skeptical, there's no way in hell vanish will ever work. Blizzard may surprise us here, but more than likely expect a fix that has absolutely nothing to do with the real issue.

Noc, I wanted to respond to you on the O-boards, but got banned for taking part in the bug forum spamming.

Dask and Zodar made it clear that combat pulses are knocking rogues out of stealth. We basically found that getting bombarded with combat pulses can occasionally effect you like getting hit with no damage. Zodar's unstealthing causing his targeted rogue to unstealth baffles me in that context.

I would bet a lot more than $5 that Blizzard:

(A) Doesn't fix the real problem. I bet Blizzard finds an easy, cheaper fix, like making sapped players unable to ping out combat pulses. This wouldn't address people's coming out of stealth near the sparring demons in BT (is it BT?), or randomly losing stealth in AV etc...

(B) They actually do consider removing stealth from the game. This would throw the game's current "balance" completely out of whack. They would have to find some serious rogue buffs to make up for it. I'm not sure they could actually do this without killing the rogue class. The trouble is, all other classes hate stealth as much as they hate stun-lock....and they killed stun-lock.




Edited, Jan 23rd 2008 10:04am by DrMayhem

It could be worse. They could be SOE.

http://www.worldofraids.com/

Rogue: Stealth/Vanish Breaking Bug (src)

I'd like to inform everyone that the issue with Stealth and Vanish breaking 5 seconds after sapping or breaking stealth has been identified and a fix is being worked on.

I call foul. The original post was posted mid-Firday, and if you check other CM logs some of them are still commenting at that time. How much additional "work" would it have been to write a simple "we shall look into this matter"? 3-4 seconds? Just one blue poster having typed that sole line would have alleviated all the wide spread panic and hyping this issue received. But no. That was apparently too much for them.

As for Blizzard's success, sure the game in itself is doing well. This is because of the quality of PvE and the time sink it presents. Casual PvP however is falling apart. There are still only four battlegrounds to choose from after ~three years of existence, and they're all dwarfed by AV. You "can" play in the others, but you're usually just wasting time getting that precious honor. Then when you look at the Arena the game is remarkably unbalanced. ~Three classes dominate all three brackets and don't give many other classes a chance at playing. For people like myself who used to play the game for PvP and didn't really have the time for PvE, this means you either roll as those classes or you're basically SOL. As hard as it seems to grasp, blizzard fixing stealth or even fixing vanish would be a tremendous "buff" to the rogue class as it would make one of our abilities finally work. That being said, the core problem of the game still wouldn't be fixed: warriors would still trump us in terms of pvp.

In other words, my argument is not that the game is doing poorly or that Blizzard seems to hate the rogue class. My argument is that blizzard does seem to hate PvP'rs, as the "content" seen is largely unbalanced and is too dull and repetitive. I know they are "working on it" with WoTLK, but should a game really take two expansions before PvP works effectively? Even then, I doubt blizzard will address the class power balancing issue. What I am hoping for eventually is that when you see the statistics of top arena teams, you see an even spread of all classes represented in all brackets. This is the definition of a balanced game, and is quite a stark contrast from the actual results one usually sees: Three Classes having +20% representation while everyone else just kind of festers at the bottom.

In Short:

-The Game is doing well because of the quality of its PvE time sinks. For casual (and even hardcore time sink) pvp however, the game is failing miserably.
-Only one new battleground has surfaced since the game's release, and all of the battle grounds are "pointless" except for AV.
-PvP Brackets are unbalanced, with ~three classes representing 60% of all classes played. With a game that has nine classes, that's a pretty big problem.
-Blizzard seems to think Gear is the solution for everything. You can bet your *** that pvp players would have rather seen an increase in balance and better quality of pvp then "lol,gearout" races.

But it's like RPzip has said many times: this game is PvE with PvP on the side. Hence, one of the many reasons why a pvp-oriented person like myself no longer plays.

Edited, Jan 23rd 2008 10:32am by Shaolinz

Then why are you wasting your time here? I thought your RL required you to cut back on distractions.

yeah, the "joys" of college.

wake up, go to class, come home, read crap till your eyes fall out, maybe toss in a bit of on-campus work either for some kind of lab project or a paper (or both) then go to sleep and do it all over again.

repeat for 12-ish weeks with a break or two in the middle.

so glad im done with college for now. i would get so burnt out in the 2-3 weeks prior to semesters' end.

Wow, sounds like I missed out on some quality drama!

Here's hoping the hotfix actually fixed something.