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So I'm getting close to lvl 70 and I have half the gladiator set socketed, enchanted, and ready to go. Now I briefly went prot a couple levels ago and enjoyed things like devastate and concussion blow. Not to mention the extra defense from the shield. I now being an arms warrior will be awesome for pvp but I wonder if I'll even pvp after I collect the honor I need for my gear. So it seems going prot would be the best for doing things like heroic runs or running instances for lower level guildies. So which has more opportunity for post 70?
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So it seems going prot would be the best for doing things like heroic runs
Answered your own question. You've been in the Outland for 8 levels now, what did you here more of- "LF1M <instance here> need:
1)Tank
or
2)DPS (no CC required)
That choice is pretty easy. If you want to run a lot of instances... go Prot.
I'd also suggest running them, even if you want to just be a BG'ing Warrior... you still need to get geared up so you can survive in there, easiest way is go run instances.
However if you want to solo and finish up some quests for gold/rep/etc, I'd suggest staying fury or arms. Prot solo semi-sucks if you're not geared well. Since I'm fairly well geared now (ready for 25 man runs) soloing is not too bad.
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So which has more opportunity for post 70?
Again, I'd say Prot. Everyone wants to DPS (except healers) hardly anyone wants to tank
, which is fine, I'm happy to sacrifice DPS for Defense/evasion. Yes, I like tanking a lot. It all depends on what you want to do.
Instances = Protect
Questing = DPS spec (I use Prot for AV... and at the last guy they're glad someone did lol)
Arena/BGs = MS Warrior (that's up for debate, but Mortal Strikes help in there)
Hope some of that babbeling helped out lol... last post before bed.
So will the BG or "welfare" epics cut it for running heroics? I hear nothing but crap about epics that take hours and hours of battleground, meanwhile gear picked up in 1 hour instance runs is so much better. I plan on getting the full gladiator set and haven't decided between a 2 handed or a 1 handed and shield.
flaminroids wrote:
So will the BG or "welfare" epics cut it for running heroics? I hear nothing but crap about epics that take hours and hours of battleground, meanwhile gear picked up in 1 hour instance runs is so much better. I plan on getting the full gladiator set and haven't decided between a 2 handed or a 1 handed and shield.
BG in heroics... as a Main Tank? or DPS?
Main Tank... no. I'd take a warrior with Blue armor (in the Kara/Heroics ready check list sticky), over a full Gladiator set. Why? Evaison, Defense skill. In full Gladiator (correct me if I'm wrong), but you're not going to reach the 490 Defense to be uncritable, and your evasion (parry/dodge) will not be near 30%. The main part of being a tank in Heroics is advoiding damage all together. The mobs hit very very hard, and if they crit you I'm sure you'll die (I don't know... I've always had 490+ Defense).
Now I know resilliance will play a good factor, I just really don't think it'll matter as much as +dodge +defense + parry.
DPS'ing you'll be more than fine for Heroics/Kara. Might need more +hit stuff, since that's mostly +crit gear.
Again, anyone correct me if I'm mistaken.
I THINK in full glad gear you might still be uncrittable. I THINK, I'm not sure, as it's late and I really don't feel like figuring out how much lower your chance to be crit in full glad gear would be. However whether you can be or not, the answer would still be no in my eyes. Avoidance would just be too abysmally low for heroics I'd think. Avoidance and very high levels of block value are king for heroics with the amount of damage you're taking, and how many sources it comes from. I don't think you'd be able to really cut it as a tank in full glad gear. A few pieces wouldn't be bad, but you really need to have gear that's designed for tanking.
For DPS, it can pass muster. It's far from optimal, and people that are paying attention to their stats will outpace you. Full glad gear is the lazy man's approach to DPS gearing, but if you want to go that route and have a guild that will let you, go for broke.
For DPS, it can pass muster. It's far from optimal, and people that are paying attention to their stats will outpace you. Full glad gear is the lazy man's approach to DPS gearing, but if you want to go that route and have a guild that will let you, go for broke.
I wonder what everyone has against pvp epics. They aren't easy to get. Although in due time you could get them just for playing.
flaminroids wrote:
I wonder what everyone has against pvp epics. They aren't easy to get. Although in due time you could get them just for playing.
IMO there's nothing wrong with them. It's actually a nice set. I think most people get ticked about them when people just hit 70 and start running BG's in greens. Greens ---> Epics is cheating
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IMO there's nothing wrong with them. It's actually a nice set. I think most people get ticked about them when people just hit 70 and start running BG's in greens. Greens ---> Epics is cheating
Its not that that bugs me. Its that PVPers act like its hard to get them.
10 monkeys start to play wow. They all have the same play style featuring much screaming and throwing of the poo. 5 of them pvp. 5 of them attempt heroics. Which monkeys will have epics first?
People call them welfare epics because you can get them wearing greens. Go to kara in greens and watch as people you know burst into laughter and immediately kick you from the raid. They just dont take anywhere near the effort to get.
All that said, im wearing a piece of glad gear (S1 shoulders). Yes, it was the easiest piece of my tanking set to get.
Lol freekyE
That's very true. I'm actually using the BG bracers for the moment. They're not horrible, but I'd rather have Moroes bracers (but I passed them for a guildy tank that is coming up in the gear department). Actually, next is the badge bracers, they're not bad and I'll use them when I collect 10 more badges lol.
That's very true. I'm actually using the BG bracers for the moment. They're not horrible, but I'd rather have Moroes bracers (but I passed them for a guildy tank that is coming up in the gear department). Actually, next is the badge bracers, they're not bad and I'll use them when I collect 10 more badges lol.
Badge bracers are hawt. That expertise is sexy. I had to fight the urge to get them today, so that I could continue saving for my legs.
Take the PvP shield for example. IMO it's just silly, it takes 1 week to get from PvP what it takes.... 1 year to get from raiding? It's way out of balance. PvPers complain that they don't like raiding and awnt alternate ways to obtain gear. Fine! But if it takes around a year to get it from raiding, it should take around a year to get it from PvP. No matter how skilled you are, no matter how good your team is, it should always take a long time to acquire.
Have you ever tried to get a whole pvp set? Then you have no idea. I keep both pvp and tanking gear. It takes about as much work from each side (raid/pvp) to get the gear.
Now I'm sure its much easier to get a set if your in a pvp guild or something. Just like if you have a large guild that runs you through instances for gear.
But at 70, if you want to raid, you need to be prot. Very rarely will you get in as a DPS warrior, unless you really do godly levels of damage.
Now I'm sure its much easier to get a set if your in a pvp guild or something. Just like if you have a large guild that runs you through instances for gear.
But at 70, if you want to raid, you need to be prot. Very rarely will you get in as a DPS warrior, unless you really do godly levels of damage.
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But if it takes around a year to get it from raiding, it should take around a year to get it from PvP.
Guess youve never tried to get the full PvP set.
Its true what your saying about raiding. Thats why Im not a serious raider. But on the flipside is that its not as easy as you think to get full S1/PvP gear. You couldn't do it in a week. It takes about a month to get full S1. And once you have S1, and you start arenas, it takes longer.
To the OP, going Prot would probably have the most opportunity post 70. If you can find a guild that will take you in as a fury warrior, grats to you. My advice is to build up a tanking set and run heroics, get geared for kara and such if you want to be active. Or you could go arms and join a PvP guild, but its harder to find one. It all really matters on what you want to do.
Edited, Jan 21st 2008 12:21pm by Scynadumos
I'm not talking about the full set. With raiding it takes a long time to even get access to the raid zones that drop the items, not to mention that then you have to wait for the drops. With the PvP gear you can get certain pieces in like a week, even some of the very best ones there are. THAT'S the flaw. With raiding you have a tiered progression, where some pieces are completely out of the question until you reach a certain point. The same works with Faction rewards, in that you don't even have access to the faction rewards until you've reached a certain reputation, not to mention you then have to acquire the necessary currency (whatever it may be) to purchase the item.
With arena rewards you only need a certain number of points, and you can get anything. The rating system is a step in the right direction, but if your group is good you can get your rating up to the necessary level quickly.
It's not tiered, and that's the issue.
With arena rewards you only need a certain number of points, and you can get anything. The rating system is a step in the right direction, but if your group is good you can get your rating up to the necessary level quickly.
It's not tiered, and that's the issue.
The problem with S1 gear is that its stacked with stam and resil for it to be any kind of effective in Heroics or Kara. Sure the crit is high, but the strength is very low (meaning AP low, meaning BT's are gonna be low).
I duel'd our MT the other day, while waiting for SSC to get underway, and he was in full s2 gear and I was in my raid gear. He beat me only because he had more HP than I did but also said that I hit quite hard. Oh, he was prot btw, so my 10k health compared to his 12.5k hp kinda killed it for me, but it was close ntl.
If you want to raid, do 5 mans and heroics for your gear. Get into kara and get more gear. Sure some of the Glad gear is ok (weapons), but the rest used in bulk for raiding isn't the best and you will probably be scoffed at for coming to a raid in full glad gear.
I duel'd our MT the other day, while waiting for SSC to get underway, and he was in full s2 gear and I was in my raid gear. He beat me only because he had more HP than I did but also said that I hit quite hard. Oh, he was prot btw, so my 10k health compared to his 12.5k hp kinda killed it for me, but it was close ntl.
If you want to raid, do 5 mans and heroics for your gear. Get into kara and get more gear. Sure some of the Glad gear is ok (weapons), but the rest used in bulk for raiding isn't the best and you will probably be scoffed at for coming to a raid in full glad gear.
Very good points made. This is my main character and I have no previous lvl 70 experience. So everything is new to me as I go. However as an arms warrior I do carry a shield and one hander in case I do need to run an instance for quests. Of course I have to tank. But even at arms spec I can tank very well. I understand there is a shortage of tanks and healers in this game and being a prot warrior will make me a sure invite to instances and raids. I constantly get whispers from people asking me if I can tank. I tell them I'm not spec'd but I can do it with ease.
In which case nothing is more frustrating than being mocked by an ally player. As much fun as running heroics seems, I think I'd rather drop a cocky player in a couple swings. I'm sticking to arms. If a group can appreciate what kind of havoc a nicely equipped arms warrior can create, then thats the group I want to be in. I've spent 69 levels being at a serious disadvantage to other classes and players and in the meantime I've gained alot of skill and knowledge in doing so. Now that I'm at the point where my class truly shines I'm going to take advantage of it.
In which case nothing is more frustrating than being mocked by an ally player. As much fun as running heroics seems, I think I'd rather drop a cocky player in a couple swings. I'm sticking to arms. If a group can appreciate what kind of havoc a nicely equipped arms warrior can create, then thats the group I want to be in. I've spent 69 levels being at a serious disadvantage to other classes and players and in the meantime I've gained alot of skill and knowledge in doing so. Now that I'm at the point where my class truly shines I'm going to take advantage of it.
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