Which opening move?Follow

Just curious as to what opening move you folks use?
Personally I use cheap shot, for the extra CP then use backstab and on the odd occasion i will use coldblood and ambush to start with, mind you im only lv 45 so dont have all the abbilities in any specific tree open to me yet.

Most of the time Cheap Shot, the extra combo points and control usually help more then the 1k damage from Garotte.

Can't plan your game around abilities getting resisted.

What if you Kidney Shot is dodged? I guess I better not Kidney Shot...

Etc.

As assassination you can always CS and then Mutilate for 4 immediate combo points.

Um...no. You're wrong Speed. Why in Gods name would you Rupture with 2 Combo points, or why would you even rupture on a normal mob anyways?

Normal Mob with Combat Swords CS->SS->SS->SS->Evis->SSx5->Evis until dead.

Elite Mobs would be Garrote->SSx4->Rupture->SSx5->Evis->SSx5->Evis until dead. Also insert a point to blow all your CDs in there.

I normally Rupture at three combo points after opening with SS-SS-SS. That's just a random number I picked out of the air, I don't know if it's more efficient or not.

I switch between CS and Garrote, depending on the situation. PvP I always open with CS on anything >leather, and Garrote + Rupture on paladins and warriors.

Button smashing in FFXI.

Yeah... I can see that.

/waits 2 mins for TP gauge to fill...

/smack weapon skill!

/waits 2 mins for TP gauge to fill...

/smack weapon skill!

That's some intense spamming ;p


All rogues are button smasher to a degree. Everytime a rogue talks on vent during a fight, you usually hear a constant key spam through it... since he's spamming SS to be sure it goes off as soon as it is up.

In pvp, you need to control yourself a bit more, since you want to have the energy to kick/gouge/KS when needed... but it's still a lot of SS spamming.

Edit: Changed I for a :P

Edited, Jan 21st 2008 6:02pm by Tyrandor

PVE is really pretty simple.

In solo pve, it doesn't really matter what you do at all. As long as it is effective. The chain mentionned above works pretty well, since most pve mobs die so fast that you hardly have time to worry about getting fancy with special move aside from Sinister Strike, Evis and possibly Kidney Shot(KS).

In group PVE, it does get a bit more complicated.



Sap's the weakest form of CC in the game. You'll only get to sap when there's a lot of mob in a pull or when you're light on CC.

That being said, you should never ever pull a mob with your ranged weapon. I simply cannot think of 1 situation where as rogue, you'd be required to pull. The tank or hunter will... and on top of that, pulling mean you can't be stealth.

Just don't do it.



Unless you're interupting a cast of some kind, kick is indeed a waste of energy.

Tell to warrior to stop doing that :P.

Going to give you a few more tips, since I'm assuming you're genuine 'newbie'.

In a typical PVE group, a few rules apply:

1 - Let the Tank get the first hit in. Most of the time he should be pulling.

2 - Don't Stun (Cheap Shot/Kidney Shot) unless the mob is going for a healer. Stunning a mob prevent it from hitting the tank, which hurt is Rage generation and thus prevent him from building aggro.

3- The best opener is probably Garotte. Even if you're a dagger rogue, Ambush oftens give you way to much aggro.

4 - Try and keep S&D up as much as possible. It's the biggest thing you can do for your damage.

Usual opening sequenece:

Garotte - SS - S&D (then)
SS X5 - Rupture (Then)
SS X2 - S&D (then)
Repeat step 2 & 3, obviously adapt how many SS you need depending on Ruthlessness procs.

5 - Rupture is usually the best 5 point finisher you can use... but don't be dumb, if the mobs are dying so fast that Rupture doesn't even tick for it's full duration or if it's almost dead (so rupture won't get to tick for full), use Eviscerate.

6 - Use Instant Poison on your Off Hand and Deadly Poison your mainhand. Technically, against trash mobs, you'd do more damage with dual instant poison, but it's usually not worth the bother of switching poison for everyboss. On rare occassion, you might need to use crippling or mind numbing, but those are for gimmick fights (or if your party is having problem for with runners).

If there's a Shaman in the team, he should be dropping windfury totem. In this case, leave your main hand free of poison and use Deadly Poison on your offhand.

yeah although everyone says combat is best to lv up with, im daggers at moment assasination with a bit in sub, as i have been doing alot of pvp at lv49 been daggers since lv 40 and combat since the start.

Once I get enough tokens that i'm after will stop pvp until 59 for a little more then move on to 69 for the nasty av grind, I guess what build I lv up with from 49-59 and 59-69 will depend on what weapons I can get my hands on but I really do enjoy daggers so if I can get hold of nice mew shiney ones then I will keep on with daggers.

Not sure how this will change in outlands but with the reduced xp to lv its going pretty good.

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Don't need SnD most of the time for the same reason why you don't use Rupture most of the time. Eviscerate will always be better than Rup/SnD on solo grind mobs.