or newb...
Anyway, I've read everything (stickies, previous posts, etc) to see what I can do to better myself as a rogue. Quite frankly my gear needs help. I guess I just can't help it, I'm a stamina fiend. Plus the fact that a lot of it (the gear) is from when I got to level 61... so I'm quite outdated.
I found one post that showed some stuff that a rogue should/could get at 70 that would help them out and I wonder if I should go cold turkey on the stamina and start getting those types of gear. I know that my health will definitely go quite a ways down changing my gear, but if using the other stuff will keep me alive just as well (or longer), then that'd be great.
I understand, as a leather wearer, us rogues can only take so much beating. I guess this is why I thought that having more stamina and increasing my health, that I could last a bit longer (plus the fact that I like to match and have "cool looking" gear... but if the stats are better on a specific item, I'm willing to wear it).
I'm on a PVE realm, and that's what I prefer to do. I'm not so much into the battlegrounds (as I'm so noobish and die quickly in there as well), but if doing bgs will help me out, I'll do them.
What I'm asking is pretty much, what should I work for? Any specific types (name wise) of equipment that I can set goals for to get? I'm definitely in dire need of help, as with what I said early, my gear is pathetic. Here's my armory - should be up-to date for the most part (finally at least) : http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Fenris&n=Aresella .
Also, I'm about a little over half way to 68 too, so if there's any gear out there for when I level, that'll be good. I also understand that I may be replacing my gear at 70, but at the moment I don't care as much, due to the fact that I'm still wearing gear from almost 7 levels ago.
Please help a pathetic-gear-wearing-rogue... Help me not disgrace the name of us. =P
Thanks a lot for any help... and if anyone tells me to read the stickies, look at the beginning paragraph again. =)
Edited, Jan 18th 2008 9:57am by xNocturnalSunx
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Well.....run Sethekk Halls until the last boss drops the assasination shoulders.Then go in mechanar ...u have a good chance there at last boss ...assasa chest and a dps trink. Also after lvl 68 get in ANY grp that will go in black morass, every boss there drops usefull stuff(shoulders, trink,Latro's shifting sword,Assasa gloves).Also run a few Durnholde ...maybe u'r lucky and the shoulders from the last boss drop.At 70 go in bg's untill u get the s1 weapons.Get asap rep with cenarion and run heroic ub and sp ..awesome loot there for rogues.
Actually check this out http://www.wow-loot.com/rogue.htm
There's linked everything u need to know about instance drops.
There are also a few q rewards which are pretty good.
I think i will post in a couple of days a thread with the raiding rogue gear(both q and drops). Working on that atm.
Edited, Jan 18th 2008 10:30am by exara
Actually check this out http://www.wow-loot.com/rogue.htm
There's linked everything u need to know about instance drops.
There are also a few q rewards which are pretty good.
I think i will post in a couple of days a thread with the raiding rogue gear(both q and drops). Working on that atm.
Edited, Jan 18th 2008 10:30am by exara
Ah okay.. awesome. Thanks!
Were I you, I'd be working towards the following:
Vindicator's Brand
Latro's Shifting Sword
Helm of the Claw
X-52 Pilot's Leggings
The Master's Treads
Natasha's Choker
Sun-Gilded Shouldercaps
Or any of the Assassination and/or Wastewalker gear. You'll also see a few good trinkets while you're working towards this stuff, like the Hourglass of the Unraveller and the Abacus of Violent Odds.
Vindicator's Brand
Latro's Shifting Sword
Helm of the Claw
X-52 Pilot's Leggings
The Master's Treads
Natasha's Choker
Sun-Gilded Shouldercaps
Or any of the Assassination and/or Wastewalker gear. You'll also see a few good trinkets while you're working towards this stuff, like the Hourglass of the Unraveller and the Abacus of Violent Odds.
Jophiel wrote:
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Demea with the Helm of the Claw, I've seen people go between that and Stealther's Helemt of Second Sight. Is the Helm of the Claw better?
Edit: Nevermind... I see that it is lol
Edited, Jan 18th 2008 10:53am by xNocturnalSunx
Edit: Nevermind... I see that it is lol
Edited, Jan 18th 2008 10:53am by xNocturnalSunx
Something you should aim for that is easily obtainable (well... depending on luck) as an offhand sword before Latro's is The scimitar of the Nexus-Stalkers there are also some good boots that drop off the same boss. Otherwise wow-loot is a good place to go.
Also, I couldn't help but notice your talent choices. In my honest opinion, whilst I am a big fan of Camo and Dirty tricks, there are some big holes in your build that could be addressed. Most notably no improved Slice & Dice, and no combat potency. I recommend a build either like this:16/42/0 (if you are a fan of remorseless). Or some variation off that.
Things I like about the one I linked is the fact that an improved gouge is enough time to gouge/bandage if blind is off. 3/4 ticks of a bandage is a fair chunk of health and can go a long way to avoiding deaths.
Riposte is great because of all the face-face fighting you do. Add in some slice and dice action + blade flurry (when stacked up you get +50% attack speed) and throw in a 1.50 / 1.40 offhand weapon and you get some nice combat potency action going. Also faster speeds = more swings = more chance for extra sword specialization procs. Being able to cheapshot>Slice & Dice>5 combo points & eviscerate makes a big difference in the amount of dmg you can put out.
Vitality, Nerves of steel and blade twisting just aren't really worth it unless you are going to pvp or you are getting into 5-man dungeons and you don't need the 6 points in parry / riposte. Blade twisting is generally not worth it anyway...
Also, I couldn't help but notice your talent choices. In my honest opinion, whilst I am a big fan of Camo and Dirty tricks, there are some big holes in your build that could be addressed. Most notably no improved Slice & Dice, and no combat potency. I recommend a build either like this:16/42/0 (if you are a fan of remorseless). Or some variation off that.
Things I like about the one I linked is the fact that an improved gouge is enough time to gouge/bandage if blind is off. 3/4 ticks of a bandage is a fair chunk of health and can go a long way to avoiding deaths.
Riposte is great because of all the face-face fighting you do. Add in some slice and dice action + blade flurry (when stacked up you get +50% attack speed) and throw in a 1.50 / 1.40 offhand weapon and you get some nice combat potency action going. Also faster speeds = more swings = more chance for extra sword specialization procs. Being able to cheapshot>Slice & Dice>5 combo points & eviscerate makes a big difference in the amount of dmg you can put out.
Vitality, Nerves of steel and blade twisting just aren't really worth it unless you are going to pvp or you are getting into 5-man dungeons and you don't need the 6 points in parry / riposte. Blade twisting is generally not worth it anyway...
Stamina is essential in PvP. But since you say you focus on PvE, get rit of it...
Try to find gear with other stats to do more damage, like +hit, +AP, +agi, +crit. About in that order.
You should get some decent upgrades while doing quests and instances. When you hit level 69, you could try to buy the Fel Leather Set (start checking AH already!), those gloves+leggings+boots are GREAT for PvE.
When you hit 70, I would recommend to do at least enough BG's to get the S1 weapons. Just run AV over and over, and try to focus on the NPC's if you wanna do as less PvP as necessary.
About your build: you should consider moving 3 points from Lightning Reflexes and 2 points from Blade Twisting to Combat Potency. Your points in MoD + Dirty Tricks are wasted i.m.o. if you do only PvE. Better put them in Malice, and them move those points from Remorseless Attacks to Ruthlessness or Murder.
Try to find gear with other stats to do more damage, like +hit, +AP, +agi, +crit. About in that order.
You should get some decent upgrades while doing quests and instances. When you hit level 69, you could try to buy the Fel Leather Set (start checking AH already!), those gloves+leggings+boots are GREAT for PvE.
When you hit 70, I would recommend to do at least enough BG's to get the S1 weapons. Just run AV over and over, and try to focus on the NPC's if you wanna do as less PvP as necessary.
About your build: you should consider moving 3 points from Lightning Reflexes and 2 points from Blade Twisting to Combat Potency. Your points in MoD + Dirty Tricks are wasted i.m.o. if you do only PvE. Better put them in Malice, and them move those points from Remorseless Attacks to Ruthlessness or Murder.
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Things I like about the one I linked is the fact that an improved gouge is enough time to gouge/bandage if blind is off. 3/4 ticks of a bandage is a fair chunk of health and can go a long way to avoiding deaths.
Gouge is a PvP ability. If you wanted to bandage in the middle of a fight, just use Blind, which allows 10 seconds instead of 5.5.
Jophiel wrote:
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Okay, so if I take off my points from all my sub tree, would I still have the same effect as if I did have them. For example, if I'm needing to sap in instances?
Demea wrote:
Gouge is a PvP ability. If you wanted to bandage in the middle of a fight, just use Blind, which allows 10 seconds instead of 5.5.
As I said... an improved gouge is enough time to gouge/bandage if blind is off. Plus sometimes I don't want to waste a blind if I'm in a situation where it looks like an eviscerate wont finish it before they will kill me. Gouge gives you an extra combo point for a bit more eviscerate damage and the bandage gives you a bit of spare time. Plus, in the same situation you can always gouge at 4cp, wait for the energy to return and then throw a 5point KS that will guarantee you 25 energy back and a 6 second stun and save yourself the bandage completely without wasting a blind or bandage cooldown.
Flubgaurd wrote:
Demea wrote:
Gouge is a PvP ability. If you wanted to bandage in the middle of a fight, just use Blind, which allows 10 seconds instead of 5.5.
As I said... an improved gouge is enough time to gouge/bandage if blind is off. Plus sometimes I don't want to waste a blind if I'm in a situation where it looks like an eviscerate wont finish it before they will kill me. Gouge gives you an extra combo point for a bit more eviscerate damage and the bandage gives you a bit of spare time. Plus, in the same situation you can always gouge at 4cp, wait for the energy to return and then throw a 5point KS that will guarantee you 25 energy back and a 6 second stun and save yourself the bandage completely without wasting a blind or bandage cooldown.
If you need to Blind n' Bind more than once every three minutes, you've got other problems to address besides your CD management.
Jophiel wrote:
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Okay, so if I take off my points from all my sub tree, would I still have the same effect as if I did have them. For example, if I'm needing to sap in instances?
Well you can still have improved sap (return to stealth). But obviously it will be easier for mobs to spot you without Camo and your sapping distance will be reduced (it feels like a LOT going from dirty tricks to a standard 5yrd range).
If you're on a PVE server look for what the Prikker said.
Your hit should be well over 100, AP around 1400, and crit chance about 25% by the time you get into 70. Stamina should be last on the list of preferred bonus because you should be able to kill whatever you're on faster than they can hit you. Technically you should have them stunlocked for most of the time so they cant hit you.
Your hit should be well over 100, AP around 1400, and crit chance about 25% by the time you get into 70. Stamina should be last on the list of preferred bonus because you should be able to kill whatever you're on faster than they can hit you. Technically you should have them stunlocked for most of the time so they cant hit you.
As to the talent build, if you really want to keep Riposte (which is honestly a great talent for grinding and solo play, worthless for group play), I'd recommend something like this. Combat Potency is just too good to pass up, and Blade Twisting is really only a PvP talent since Crippling Poison is more reliable, and a better snare.
Jophiel wrote:
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If you need to Blind n' Bind more than once every three minutes, you've got other problems to address besides your CD management.
I must confess... I am terribly terribly lazy. Its less that I use my Blind a lot, more that I am very stingy with the ba3tard.
It creates sh*t loads of problems whilst trying to level my ~40ish warrior. I charge a group of 3 mobs and then half way through go "oh f*ck" remembering I don't have evasion, vanish or any of the other tricks I'm used to.
I then switch back to my rogue and start wondering where my execute button is and why I can't overpower people.
Fear and bandage for the win.
Although, while leveling my now 48 warrior, I find that not having Vanish is a huge disadvantage, especially while doing some world PvP.
Although, while leveling my now 48 warrior, I find that not having Vanish is a huge disadvantage, especially while doing some world PvP.
Jophiel wrote:
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Well you can still have improved sap (return to stealth). But obviously it will be easier for mobs to spot you without Camo and your sapping distance will be reduced (it feels like a LOT going from dirty tricks to a standard 5yrd range).
That's why I'm a bit iffy on whether or not to remove those two, because I know whenever I get into a group, they'd almost all the time want me to sap (unless we have a mage there to sheep).
I tried taking all of your opinions so far in consideration, regarding my build. I've actually never really used SnD until last night. I just told myself, what the heck and gave it a try. Now considering I only have level 1 SnD at the moment, it wasn't too great (of course), but with all the posts I've seen with people using it, I decided to give it a try.
Here's what I've come up with regarding a build. As you can see, my main focus is combat and I've kept points on the stuff that I tend to use more often. Let me know if it looks a bit better than my build now.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhxbZMeEdbVzxMGot
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I've actually never really used SnD until last night.
Seriously?
Wow.
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http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhxbZMeEdbVzxMGot
Relentless Strikes is much, much, much better than either Evasion or Vitality. Same goes for Ruthlessness.
Other than that, the build looks pretty solid.
Jophiel wrote:
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Seriously?
Wow.
Yeah crazy right? lol
And it makes me wonder why I never used it in the first place... oh silly me.
And as for relentless strikes... what if I put the last point on there?
If you're going to respec anyways, I'd get down the Combat tree to Surprise Attacks, then go at least 11 points into Assassination for Relentless Srikes. Then you can fill in other talents where desired.
Edited, Jan 18th 2008 10:35am by Demea
Edited, Jan 18th 2008 10:35am by Demea
Jophiel wrote:
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Ruthlessness and Relentless Strikes are IMHO too good to give up. If you want to keep murder, drop endurance and put them in murder instead. You will probably want to drop Riposte eventually, but it is worth keeping at lvl 70 for a while as you will still need to rep-grind a fair amount of things and do some questing in order to pay for your wings, professions e.t.c. You will gain far in a group situation by dropping those two points from endurance, lighting reflexes and vitality and moving them into the assassination tree. Something like this is still totally viable in a 5-man situation and doesn't hurt your grinding skills much either. Vitality whilst good, is only as good as your gear.
In some instances you may find riposte to be a life saver as well. Getting a lucky parry in early after pulling aggro in any 5-man instance will allow you to disarm and give you some time to feint. Most of the 5-man mobs, even at 70 don't hit that hard and you may find yourself in a position where it is just you and a healer left on the last boss, trying to knock off the final 2%
I know I've been there enough times, and riposte can make a big difference.
In some instances you may find riposte to be a life saver as well. Getting a lucky parry in early after pulling aggro in any 5-man instance will allow you to disarm and give you some time to feint. Most of the 5-man mobs, even at 70 don't hit that hard and you may find yourself in a position where it is just you and a healer left on the last boss, trying to knock off the final 2%
I know I've been there enough times, and riposte can make a big difference.
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Getting a lucky parry in early after pulling aggro in any 5-man instance will allow you to disarm and give you some time to Vanish.
FTFY
Feint = lose (unfortunately
)Jophiel wrote:
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Fixed it a bit... I'm slowly getting there lol
A little tweak
Edited, Jan 18th 2008 11:46am by xNocturnalSunx
A little tweak
Edited, Jan 18th 2008 11:46am by xNocturnalSunx
I'm assuming you're going to stay combat swords - not having specced that - how effective is Blade Fury in PvE? Seems to me like a pvp skill with 2 min cooldown, unless your just using it to get to the expertise. I would personally drop the 2 in endurance and pick up ruthlessness or remorseless attacks.
So all in all, this is what I see I've got to fix so far:
~ Fix build
~ Work on bringing up my reps
~ Get gear with +hit, +AP, +Agi, and +Crit
~ Stealth and sap will eb less effective once build is fixed
~ Blade twisting is useless in PVE
Not sure if I missing anything
Oh one more thing... is envenom useful or should I just not even bother?
Thank you all for you help though. I'll try to respec tonight and see how things work out for me.
~ Fix build
~ Work on bringing up my reps
~ Get gear with +hit, +AP, +Agi, and +Crit
~ Stealth and sap will eb less effective once build is fixed
~ Blade twisting is useless in PVE
Not sure if I missing anything
Oh one more thing... is envenom useful or should I just not even bother?
Thank you all for you help though. I'll try to respec tonight and see how things work out for me.
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I'm assuming you're going to stay combat swords - not having specced that - how effective is Blade Fury in PvE? Seems to me like a pvp skill with 2 min cooldown, unless your just using it to get to the expertise. I would personally drop the 2 in endurance and pick up ruthlessness or remorseless attacks
Yeah I'm going to stay combat swords... unless for some reason, I get bored with it, but so far I'm still having fun =)
Blade Flurry works pretty well for me, especially if I pick up more than one mob of equal or higher level. I just hit Evasion/Adren Rush/Blade Flurry, and I take them down fairly quick, and usually at the same time (for the most part)
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