Feel free to check my armory. So anyway first pull is a 2 mob pull. No CC so I was tanking both. I'm holding aggro fine then all of a sudden I'm dead. They promptly removed me from the group, but I did let them know in advance this was my first heroic, and asked if my gear was ok. They checked and said that yea my gear was ok. It was Blood Furnace. I had over 490 defense and 12k HP unbuffed, and around 13k armor buffed. So yea do I need more armor, stamina, better gear, or did I just not get enough healing?
Edited, Jan 17th 2008 9:43pm by duvar
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Starting out in Heroics you're gear was fine... IF you had CC. Honestly, it won't be until later epics (Kara/Bages/etc) that you can really tank more than one mob.
Sounds like your group just did not have the correct set up if you could not CC 1 of 2 mobs. Or were they un-CC'able? I can't remember the 1st pull in there, but I'm pretty sure they're sap'able or something.
Again, it'll get easier running Heroics with the gear. If you're not in a Kara raiding guild, get in one... asap. You're gear is more than fine to Currator, after that it's a bit iffy.
The one suggestion on gear is to get the Devilshark Cape from SV. It'll last until some SSC or something drop.
Your gear is fine, bring +stam food (spicy crawdad if you can afford), bring scroll of protection IV or V either. I suggest also getting Elixir of Superior Defense or along that line. 450 - 550 Armor don't sound like much, but it'll help.
Almost all epic'd out, and a buddy wanted to get a drop off Pandamonius (spelling?) and I'll tell you what... with no Shadow Protection at all... that's one hell of a tough fight. He owned us a few times, then I said ***** it and used everything I had... 1/2 hour, trinkets, HP stones, etc. So it's never a 'cake walk' but your party should have understood that you're learning.
Sounds like your group just did not have the correct set up if you could not CC 1 of 2 mobs. Or were they un-CC'able? I can't remember the 1st pull in there, but I'm pretty sure they're sap'able or something.
Again, it'll get easier running Heroics with the gear. If you're not in a Kara raiding guild, get in one... asap. You're gear is more than fine to Currator, after that it's a bit iffy.
The one suggestion on gear is to get the Devilshark Cape from SV. It'll last until some SSC or something drop.
Your gear is fine, bring +stam food (spicy crawdad if you can afford), bring scroll of protection IV or V either. I suggest also getting Elixir of Superior Defense or along that line. 450 - 550 Armor don't sound like much, but it'll help.
Almost all epic'd out, and a buddy wanted to get a drop off Pandamonius (spelling?) and I'll tell you what... with no Shadow Protection at all... that's one hell of a tough fight. He owned us a few times, then I said ***** it and used everything I had... 1/2 hour, trinkets, HP stones, etc. So it's never a 'cake walk' but your party should have understood that you're learning.
They were CC'able, but the best we could have done is 1 seduce. All we had was a warlock. It would have worked for the first pull, but not sure about later pulls. Anyway I just got into a group for heroic ramps, guess I'll give that a try. If this fails then I think I'll be scarred for life on heroics :(
Ramps is honestly the way to go. It's a tad bit hard... but for all heroics I don't care what anyone says... bring a Mage and at least another from of CC (Hunter, Mage, Warlock, Rogue).
That sounds like it was your groups fault for lack of CC. Newer not epic geared tanks will get really hard at 1st, then with epics you'll boost your dodge/parry and armor/hp... it'll be much easier.
That sounds like it was your groups fault for lack of CC. Newer not epic geared tanks will get really hard at 1st, then with epics you'll boost your dodge/parry and armor/hp... it'll be much easier.
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BF is actually a pretty hard Heroic from what I can tell from the few that I've done. It seems weird because it's an early instance, but the difficulty levels don't really match up to order at which you did them on normal. I suggest sticking with ramps, UB, Mech, and SV. Those are the ones I started with and haven't had too many problems. And yeah mages and well geared healers are our friends :)
Tanking heroics takes a lot of patience and a bit more skill than normal so just stick with it, know you're going to wipe sometimes and have fun with it. One tip as well is to use sheild block a lot, I couldn't belive the difference it makes one the really hard pulls.
Also you may want to invest in some new tanking trinkets. The one that drops off the 2nd boss in Shadow labs is great, Adamantine figurine also the Dabiri's Enigma (quest reward from Dimensius the all-devouring). both those trinkets only have a 2 min cooldown and i'll use both of them on some hard hitting pulls.
Hope this helps and stick with it, you'll be fine.
Tankiam - Orc warrior Ravenholdt
Tanking heroics takes a lot of patience and a bit more skill than normal so just stick with it, know you're going to wipe sometimes and have fun with it. One tip as well is to use sheild block a lot, I couldn't belive the difference it makes one the really hard pulls.
Also you may want to invest in some new tanking trinkets. The one that drops off the 2nd boss in Shadow labs is great, Adamantine figurine also the Dabiri's Enigma (quest reward from Dimensius the all-devouring). both those trinkets only have a 2 min cooldown and i'll use both of them on some hard hitting pulls.
Hope this helps and stick with it, you'll be fine.
Tankiam - Orc warrior Ravenholdt
killed blackheart about 10 times and it won't drpo for me. I'm looking into Dabiri's Enigma, and since i'm a JC I only need about 8k more Honor Hold rep and I can make a Figurine - Dawnstone crab which is probably better than the Dabiri's one. Thanks for the advice though :D
I think your gear looks better than mine did on my first heroic but I was in a mostly guild group and we used CC every chance we got. My first heroic was Mech because my guild leader got it into his head that I just had to have the SunEater even though my Fireguard was a very decent tanking sword. I didn't think I was geared for it but he said we should give it a try anyways. I think my unbuffed HP was just under 10k and my armor was around 12 or 13k with crafted/quested blues and a few good greens. I wish I'd logged out in my tanking gear so I could see my current stats but I think I'm up to almost 12k hp and over 15k armor now.
Some of the mobs do hit really hard on Heroic and tanking more than one at a time is definitely a test of your Healer as well as your gear. I agree with the others on trying to do some of the 'easier' heroics first and work on upgrading that gear.
So far, I have run heroic Mech about a million times (closer to 8), heroic Slave Pens twice and heroic Bot once. Mech is almost easy mode for me though the fire boss still beats us a lot of the time but it's still three badges and it's relatively quick as well. Slave Pens isn't too bad but those last two bosses both hit really, really hard. My one trip through heroic Bot took quite a long time but it didn't seem much harder than on normal.
Some of the mobs do hit really hard on Heroic and tanking more than one at a time is definitely a test of your Healer as well as your gear. I agree with the others on trying to do some of the 'easier' heroics first and work on upgrading that gear.
So far, I have run heroic Mech about a million times (closer to 8), heroic Slave Pens twice and heroic Bot once. Mech is almost easy mode for me though the fire boss still beats us a lot of the time but it's still three badges and it's relatively quick as well. Slave Pens isn't too bad but those last two bosses both hit really, really hard. My one trip through heroic Bot took quite a long time but it didn't seem much harder than on normal.
Blood Furnace was my very first heroic and I had the same stats as you. We did make it all the way to the room before the last boss, but it was a grind getting there. I have learned a lot since then and if you keep an open mind, listen to some good advice and continue to try to improve yourself, you'll be tanking heroics with ease in no time.
I've found that the key to heroics is not just the classes involved, but the players involved. There is no room for stupid mistakes in a heroic instance. Avoid mages who want to pyroblast the mob the instant you pull and then accuse you of being a bad tank because you can't hold aggro. Avoid healers in full Kara gear who don't think they need to heal you as much as they do in Kara, because it's only a 5 man instance. Avoid hunters who don't realize that misdirect exists for them at 70, instead they feign death next to you and expect you to pull aggro before someone dies.
It sounds like the reason you died was because of lack of healing. I've run across this way too much. Healers that go into heroics with a normal instance mentality. Eventually you'll get a good feel for the players worth grouping with and heroics will become lots of fun. Good luck!
I've found that the key to heroics is not just the classes involved, but the players involved. There is no room for stupid mistakes in a heroic instance. Avoid mages who want to pyroblast the mob the instant you pull and then accuse you of being a bad tank because you can't hold aggro. Avoid healers in full Kara gear who don't think they need to heal you as much as they do in Kara, because it's only a 5 man instance. Avoid hunters who don't realize that misdirect exists for them at 70, instead they feign death next to you and expect you to pull aggro before someone dies.
It sounds like the reason you died was because of lack of healing. I've run across this way too much. Healers that go into heroics with a normal instance mentality. Eventually you'll get a good feel for the players worth grouping with and heroics will become lots of fun. Good luck!
Heroics are just that, Heroic. It takes some getting used to before youll be reliably doing them, and thats with a solid party. That said, I never PUG heroics.....I dont care if im only 1 badge from getting an item I want. Never.
My suggestion? Find a solid group of poeple you know and run either mech or bot on heroic. It may just be me, but I find them to be the easiest. Not to mention that bot gives up 5 badges.
Go into a heroic with a raid mentality. What I mean is be there to kick *** and accept that bad pulls or small mistakes will wipe the entire party. Bring the items youll need like pots and food. And like in other raids, there will be wipes, it just happens. Dont worry about the repair bill, thats what dailies are for.
Going in with what equates to 1/2 of a CC'er (as a tank, I HATE seduce) isnt proper preperation. Maybe a full kara geared party could do it, but you arent, so youll have to accomodate.
Lastly, any party who kicks someone after the very first pull for anything other that complete D-baggery isnt gonna make it past the first boss anyway, so you missed out on nothing.
My suggestion? Find a solid group of poeple you know and run either mech or bot on heroic. It may just be me, but I find them to be the easiest. Not to mention that bot gives up 5 badges.
Go into a heroic with a raid mentality. What I mean is be there to kick *** and accept that bad pulls or small mistakes will wipe the entire party. Bring the items youll need like pots and food. And like in other raids, there will be wipes, it just happens. Dont worry about the repair bill, thats what dailies are for.
Going in with what equates to 1/2 of a CC'er (as a tank, I HATE seduce) isnt proper preperation. Maybe a full kara geared party could do it, but you arent, so youll have to accomodate.
Lastly, any party who kicks someone after the very first pull for anything other that complete D-baggery isnt gonna make it past the first boss anyway, so you missed out on nothing.
Yea I kind of had the feeling right off the bat that it wasn't going to go well with no crowd control. I mean even if we could make it up to the Broggok event, then what? I was mostly there for the learning experience, just to see how bad heroics really were :P lol. I did a heroic ramps run a little after that and we had a rogue and a mage. I handled those pulls with relative ease, the mobs were only hitting for about 2300 a piece (1 at a time because of CC), but that group ended up disbanding as well also because some people kept DC'ing and not coming back. Everyone says to do mech and SP because they're easy, but I want to stick with Hellfire Citadel for a while until I get Revered with Honor Hold so I can upgrade my green trinket. So I guess I'll stick with Heroic Ramps and Normal Shattered Halls for a while, and only try BF again if there's at least 2 forms of CC.
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just to see how bad heroics really were :P lol.
At the worst, youll have a better time repeatedly trying to tank durn, alone, naked.
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Kinda rude to kick you after the first pull. They could have at least given you a few more chances before that. Not easy to find a tank, at least on my server (Drenden).
I haven't started running heroics yet. I still need to get better gear. There are a lot of 70s in my guild, though, and we're all gearing up for Kara runs in the near future. I don't think that I would attempt a Kara run or a heroic without people I knew and trusted. Plate's not cheap to repair. lol
I haven't started running heroics yet. I still need to get better gear. There are a lot of 70s in my guild, though, and we're all gearing up for Kara runs in the near future. I don't think that I would attempt a Kara run or a heroic without people I knew and trusted. Plate's not cheap to repair. lol
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Kinda rude to kick you after the first pull. They could have at least given you a few more chances before that. Not easy to find a tank, at least on my server (Drenden).
Yea, but my guess is that what happened is they replaced me with a better geared tank, tried again, failed again due to lack of CC, then a light bulb went off in their head and said maybe that original tank wasn't so bad after all.
Tried heroic ramps again and got to the top of the staircase with the 5 mob pull. Wiped 3 times and decided to call it quits. Is there an easy way to handle this? We had 2 hunters and a warlock for trap, trap, seduce but it wasn't enough. And the whole pack respawns every time you wipe :(
you can open with a fear and make sure you tank the melee mob in the middle. hunters pick a mark to trap and lock fear bombs the rest of the way. it's the only real way of doing it afaik, unless you brought three mages with you.
Best way to do that one in your group would have been to LoS pull them around the corner, trap each for the hunters, and to fear bomb it home as much as possible. That pull does suck though.
For the records, BF is actually one of the more difficult heroics. Most of the mobs in there hit like trucks. If you go into other heroics, you'll take hits a BIT better.
For the records, BF is actually one of the more difficult heroics. Most of the mobs in there hit like trucks. If you go into other heroics, you'll take hits a BIT better.
this was ramps :P
I know, the first comment was in referance to the crappy 5 pull at the top of the the...well, ramp in ramps. Lol. The second bit was about BF, but I could have clarified that a lot better than I did.
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Hey can you link that trinket from Honor hold?
Just check my armory, I'm wearing it now :P
Link is here in any case: http://thottbot.com/i24125
Unfortunately it's BoP and the only thing you're getting from Honor Hold is the JC design. So unless you have JC 370 or higher you won't be able to get the trinket.
In any case, since this thread was bumped I might as well mention that I cleared Heroic Ramps last night! Was pretty exciting. I was even more surprised that we managed to kill the 5 mob pull at the top with very little difficulty. We only had 1 rogue and 1 warlock for CC too. Apparently the casters don't hit very hard, a shaman with around 6000 armor was taking about 300 per hit from casters. So the strategy was I keep aggro on the Ripper and completely ignore everything else. The shaman AoEs the sh*t out of everything else and rogue + warlock etc just burn down the casters as fast as possible. Every once in a while the warlock would fear a mob, but I never had to use Intimidating Shout and nobody ever got below 70% HP the whole time. Was really quite easy.
Edited, Jan 21st 2008 2:01pm by duvar
Link is here in any case: http://thottbot.com/i24125
Unfortunately it's BoP and the only thing you're getting from Honor Hold is the JC design. So unless you have JC 370 or higher you won't be able to get the trinket.
In any case, since this thread was bumped I might as well mention that I cleared Heroic Ramps last night! Was pretty exciting. I was even more surprised that we managed to kill the 5 mob pull at the top with very little difficulty. We only had 1 rogue and 1 warlock for CC too. Apparently the casters don't hit very hard, a shaman with around 6000 armor was taking about 300 per hit from casters. So the strategy was I keep aggro on the Ripper and completely ignore everything else. The shaman AoEs the sh*t out of everything else and rogue + warlock etc just burn down the casters as fast as possible. Every once in a while the warlock would fear a mob, but I never had to use Intimidating Shout and nobody ever got below 70% HP the whole time. Was really quite easy.
Edited, Jan 21st 2008 2:01pm by duvar
One thing I've noticed on Heroic is that we often can make it through the really difficult pulls pretty well and ***** up on the 'easy' pulls. I think we are a lot more careful when facing a 6 mob pull than when dealing with a 3 or 4 mob pull so we make less mistakes. Luck with CC and taunt resists can also make a huge difference.
I've only done Mech, Bot and Slave Pens on Heroic so far but I'm pretty comfortable in those instances now and my gear is slowly getting better. :)
I've only done Mech, Bot and Slave Pens on Heroic so far but I'm pretty comfortable in those instances now and my gear is slowly getting better. :)
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