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#52 Jan 29 2008 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I am not a guy, stated few times and even proved with a pic, and yet Primusjuggalo refers to me as "he" almost all the time.... . so what?


Have I? I dont remember ever doing so. If such is the case, my sincerest apologies.


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Kael'thas is a guy... you've never read the text on quests, have you?


Yes, I was referring to Capernian,the add in which I was talking about in my previous posts. I assume you either have never done Kael to know about her, or havent taken the time to either read up of the fight or, to read my previous post in its entirety. Thank you.

Regardless, Kael down as of tonight. On to Hyjal and BT

Edited, Jan 29th 2008 3:32am by Primusjuggalo
#53 Jan 29 2008 at 2:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Primusjuggalo wrote:


Have I? I dont remember ever doing so. If such is the case, my sincerest apologies.



No need. Though I find it annoying when some people assume everyone is a male, you make it sound cute sort of :)

#54 Jan 29 2008 at 3:35 AM Rating: Default
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Gratz on your Kael kill :)
#55 Jan 29 2008 at 10:42 PM Rating: Decent
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No need. Though I find it annoying when some people assume everyone is a male, you make it sound cute sort of :)


What? Womenz dont play teh video games! hehe <3 Sethy.

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Gratz on your Kael kill :)


Ty, very fun fight all in all, phase 5 is amazing for a shadow DS/SnF lock. 10k crit, 10k crit, 11k crit, 10k crit, 11k crit, 10k crit, 30k CoD....amazing.

We hit Hyjal after we killed Kael but had a couple who had to leave, it was past raid time anyways. Did the first 6-7 waves of trash before Rage(with roughly 20 ppl). Hyjal trash is a warlocks wet dream.....SoC spam!!!
#56 Jan 30 2008 at 8:38 AM Rating: Decent
Honestly start raiding as UA affliction, it offers the most utility at the early stages of raiding and its the easiest spec to gear up for. By the time your raiding SSC/TK and beyond i would HOPE your smart enough to make your own desicion on which spec will work the best for your raids and what kind of spec your guild needs.
#57 Jan 30 2008 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
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and more importantly, what you enjoy playing.
#58 Jan 31 2008 at 3:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Just a bit of input on the warriors for you, jenova. Hahu seems good. I couldn't see their fury gear, but I got their tanking gear and it was good. I can only assume their fury gear is decent as well. Their spec was a bit odd, but they seemed to understand what they were doing.

Korax on the other hand seemed misguided at best. His spec is a mess, with badly allocated talent points. His gear had a few AP gems thrown in, which is just STUPID, because of the fact that it doesn't scale with kings like STR does. Looking at his weapons, he upgraded his OH to a S2 weapon before his MH. While this MAY have been due to his having a much lower DPS weapon as an OH, he should have upgraded his MH anyways, and then relegated the S1 weapon to OH status. The slower attacks speed on it would only have meant a higher total DPS because of WW hitting with the OH weapon now. He made a bad choice no matter how you look at it. He also, for some reason, decided to put Potency (+20 STR) on his MH, and Mongoose on his OH weapon. A proc enchant on an OH? Did he purposely want to cut his proc rate because of OH misses? He just doesn't seem to really know what he's doing.

Sederix, quiet while the big kids are talking. Your arguments hold no bearing if you're having trouble breaking into heroics. Jenova and Oaken are arguing whether the specs apply at a point in time that's a long way beyond normal 5 mans and hoping for heroics. Boasting have topped damage meters in BGs and regular PUGs would be like me bragging about winning a race in the special olympics.
#59 Jan 31 2008 at 4:47 AM Rating: Decent
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hehe, i like the end of that fletus, and ty for the comments on the warriors ^^, 1 issue though with trying to compare warriors with warlocks (or any of the other 'main' dpsers) is that they have a threat cap due to having no threat dumps, we on the other hand can soulshatter. warriors though are a great asset for the additional offtank that can dps when needed and for the melee dps buffs they give to their party (or if you find a correctly geared MS warrior, the 4% raid bonus)

Edited, Jan 31st 2008 7:48am by Jenovaomega
#60 Jan 31 2008 at 5:43 AM Rating: Good
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i scolded Korax for the choice of weapon as well, about his specc...
i have never seena warrior dps as hard as him.

/pure assumption :
Maybe he is even able to walk the fine line to dps as hards as he can
without overaggroing, due to the not-so-good MH.

i liked the end as well, but i think those guys are damn fast, so you better
be a good runner ;)
#61 Jan 31 2008 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
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you probably just have a tank that puts out above average tps, so allowing for the warrior to push a bit, though the poor spec and weapon choice probably helps too

and they may be fast, but all you need to do is shove a stick in their wheels or put some gum in the joints of their prostetic limbs while they're not looking ;)
#62 Jan 31 2008 at 7:19 AM Rating: Good
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thou arst a foul and wicked man.
#63 Jan 31 2008 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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the greater the mind, the more disturbed it is ;)
#64 Jan 31 2008 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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Sederix, quiet while the big kids are talking. Your arguments hold no bearing if you're having trouble breaking into heroics.

Which would those be? So far, some people agree and some do not. Unless by "bearing", you just mean yourself and your treehouse pals?

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Edited, Jan 31st 2008 2:33pm by sederix
#65 Jan 31 2008 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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No, by 'bearing' I mean an environment that requires proper stat allocation, and not just the ability to not be completely retarded. To max out damage, or ANYTHING, in raiding requires a careful approach to analyzing current stats and picking and choosing what you need to maximize efficiency. Hell, for most classes hit rating (spell OR melee) can go right out the window prior to raiding and you honestly won't notice much of a difference. I could drop down to about 30 hit rating, spec fury, and still rock meters in 5 mans. If I were to do the same inside of a raid, with hit rating that low, I'd get punted down below the tanks on damage.

This isn't me being elitist right now, even though I am elitist. This is me just saying that the level of content you are discussing, and the level of content they are discussing hold no bearing whatsoever on one another. The only reason I brought up the level of content in the first place is because YOU brought up meters in a level of content that doesn't apply to the discussion at hand. Guess what? I've topped meters in BGs and regular 5 mans as prot spec. Does that mean prot is a viable DPS spec? No, it means the people I played with were bad, as is often the case at that level of progression. That isn't to say demo is THAT bad, because I do play with good demo locks. What it DOES say is that your point is moot until you get to test your spec out in T5 content.

Jenova, I wasn't really trying to compare the two, I was just commenting on the warriors themselves since you had said you didn't have anyone around at the time to do it for you. :D I'm prot anyways, so I don't even come CLOSE to locks, but I had my fury days, so I'm aware of the stats needed. Our DPS output is in many ways reliant upon the threat the tank puts out. With our recent buffs though (10% less threat in zerker stance), if we have a good tank and a shaman that can totem weave, we can put out amazingly solid DPS. Perhaps not in ALL cases as much as locks, but we can often outpace the other classes. RPZip comes to mind, just in this community by itself. In most cases though, you're right. It's difficult to compare the two because locks have a threat dump, and as such will do more damage in most cases.

It's still bad news bears either way Oaken. All I'm saying is he could be better. Arguing a bad spec and bad gearing with that kind of reasoning is pretty circular logic. We had a discussion about this in the warrior forums last week about a guy who specced out of imp. zerker stance so he didn't get 10% reduced threat, but then also specced out of key damage abilities. So he made up for creating more threat by doing crappy damage. Lol. He needs to spec properly and either just learn to watch his threat, or honestly just get a better tank. I might armory your tank later, though I probably won't comment on him, for good or bad. Fury is one thing, people tend to take knocks on their tanks far more personally. :P

Edited, Jan 31st 2008 6:07pm by FletusSanguine
#66 Jan 31 2008 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
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Take a knock at whomever you want, i can handle it. But i haven´t had
any issues with the tanks in this guild. Just been here for 2 ID´s.
I think they do their job pretty good, and it´s hard to maintain aggro vs. me,
even with shatter soul

We´ve done Mount Hyjal 4/5 within one ID and demo-specced, i still top dmg meters.
Actually when i transferred server they planned me as destro-specc, and we went SSC the first night and the hadn´t a warlock to tank leotheras. So i said i would do it and respecced to demo. It was great fun to see 24 people totally baffled about the my dmg output.

Started BT today but had some problems with being too few people today and downed Najentus in 3rd attempt and Surpremus in 2nd attempt.
Opposed to other demo-lock threads, i managed #2 on dmg meters but the fight is a beyotch.

I personally think MH is too easy and the first two bosses in BT aswell, wonder what Akamas Shade has up his sleeve.
#67 Jan 31 2008 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Which fits perfectly with what I've always said, that being skill>gear>spec. Hopefully you'll have an illi kill under your belt soon.
#68 Jan 31 2008 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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o, by 'bearing' I mean an environment that requires proper stat allocation, and not just the ability to not be completely retarded. To max out damage, or ANYTHING, in raiding requires a careful approach to analyzing current stats and picking and choosing what you need to maximize efficiency. Hell, for most classes hit rating (spell OR melee) can go right out the window prior to raiding and you honestly won't notice much of a difference. I could drop down to about 30 hit rating, spec fury, and still rock meters in 5 mans. If I were to do the same inside of a raid, with hit rating that low, I'd get punted down below the tanks on damage.

Lol. What the hell does that have to do with anything I said?
#69 Jan 31 2008 at 5:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Sederix wrote:
FletusSanguine wrote:

o, by 'bearing' I mean an environment that requires proper stat allocation, and not just the ability to not be completely retarded. To max out damage, or ANYTHING, in raiding requires a careful approach to analyzing current stats and picking and choosing what you need to maximize efficiency. Hell, for most classes hit rating (spell OR melee) can go right out the window prior to raiding and you honestly won't notice much of a difference. I could drop down to about 30 hit rating, spec fury, and still rock meters in 5 mans. If I were to do the same inside of a raid, with hit rating that low, I'd get punted down below the tanks on damage.


Lol. What the hell does that have to do with anything I said?

Sederix wrote:
And yet, I am CONSISTENTLY at the top of the damage meter in groups and in battlegrounds (to a lesser degree). You know what else? I dont use felguard all the time!


Sederix wrote:
Further, I just told you that I usually top the damage meter in groups.


Maybe that? I'm not arguing that maybe you top damage meters in 5 mans. You might, you might not. I don't know. What Oaken and Jenova are debating is the superior RAID spec. Look at the topic title. Not 5 man, not BGs. You topping damage meters in those two sections isn't worth a damn in this discussion.

You want a real life analogy? I run in real life every day. I'm not too bad at it. I go for about an hour and a half at least on average for a decent workout, and I've built up some pretty good endurance. I'm not great, but I'm not bad. I've built up my body to be decent at endurance running, and I can go longer than a lot of people I run with. I'm pretty good at it. Does this mean that if I go up against a sprinter for a short distance, I'm going to beat him just because I'm a good distance runner? No, because even though we're both running, we're doing two very different things with the same muscles, and have them built up in different ways for the seperate tasks.

Edited, Jan 31st 2008 8:52pm by FletusSanguine
#70 Jan 31 2008 at 7:55 PM Rating: Decent
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idd, and tbh, until me and oaken are actually in the same raid, with 'equal' gear for each spec, neither of us will budge on our idea of the top dps spec. so.. when's your server transfer up again? i'm sure i can get you into our guild. we've got 4/5 hyal and in our first night in BT, we got 3 bosses down there, probably gonna have alot more down soon too
#71 Jan 31 2008 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Wish I were on EU realms so I could raid with you kids. Bah.
#72 Jan 31 2008 at 11:58 PM Rating: Good
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i think its up in 80 days =/
#73 Feb 01 2008 at 4:40 AM Rating: Decent
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didn't they buff it to like 1month instead of 4? or was that only from pve to pve... <<< forgets
#74 Feb 01 2008 at 5:09 AM Rating: Good
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hmm no clue. says 80 days for me, so guess they haven´t.
Uploading Surpremus video as we speak, had to downsize it
so the quality is not what i wished for. I´ll add the link as soon
as it is done.

this is a little teaser:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1298/surpremussk9.jpg

Edited, Feb 1st 2008 8:23am by Oakenwrath
#75 Feb 01 2008 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Elitist jerks -----> that way

#76 Feb 01 2008 at 7:53 AM Rating: Decent
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also, remember. you outgear all the guys who're close behind you by quite a bit :P
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