Destruction is the peferred raid spec?Follow

'tis 1 boss :P, there's always 1-2 bosses where some random pet is useful. otherwise though there isn;t

not at all. hunter, mage, priest, shammy can all make a better dispeler than us

So'm I. If they were talking PVP, then I might not have as much to say on the subject, because I am on a PVE server.

Jenova, um I never said the buffs were for the group. And, I said Demonology brings survival to a group-- if I am in a group, I am therefor contributing my endurance. As I said, the longer you remain in battle, the more chances to deal damage.
However, if I wanted to get technical, I could mention that the Imp's 20% reduction of threat prevents my character from pulling aggro, which in turn, will keep the healer and myself from dying too early. Also, the felhunter's Spell Lock is very useful for removing harmful effects on -other players-, but who needs that?
How about, addressing the issues I raised. Such as, how can you be so certain and not ever have played Demonology? If you have, then that raised the question about gear and play style. All you have done is made a lot of irrational statements, but have not really supported your argument with facts.
"Demonology is inferior" is not a fact. In order for this to be true, you need to end that statement with a big fat "because".
Further, I just told you that I usually top the damage meter in groups. And, we have at least one other who has made the same claim. These are facts. Now, you must either support your position by showing that there are more Demonology warlocks who cant beat us, or explain why it is not possible for Demonology to be as successful as we are telling you that it has been.


lol, that was from the Headless Horseman event. I greeded, and won out of at least 10 rolls for it.

Edited, Jan 27th 2008 2:43pm by sederix

i play on a pvp server, i play demo and i tell you that raid-demon out-damages destro by a good deal in pve and in pvp i think we do not have to talk about destro-specc...it sucks pretty hard.

There we go with "I pwn damage meters" again.
You top damage meters on what exactly? Normal instances? Heroic instances? Karazhan trash? Boss with 1 mil hp like Prince?

That is as far as my experience goes and I can tell you my dps varies a lot on each one of those examples.

edited it -- thought the username was sethy.

char transfer locked for 87 days =//

i´d love to play with you.


edit: the pet stay infight 95% of the time, destro leulier assumes you can spam sb the entier fight without movement, which is farther from truth than demon being able to stay on mob.

Edited, Jan 27th 2008 3:23pm by Oakenwrath

and it also presumes you're able to nuke constantly too. end result though is that dest > demo. why do you hate to believe this? you think that just 'cos dest is better you have to spec it? well i presume you know you don't have to, you enjoy demo so stick with it. personnaly if there was a single bit of good evidence that demo > dest i'd be speccing it as my 1 and only aim is maximise my damage. yet sadly I've yet to find any evidence.
what blizzard needs to do is bring the dot coefficients back to what they should be, the increased damage from demo and the heavy dot use of afliction will then become more on par to dest. which would be top then though who knows

no it doesn´t! I just lose a portion of my dps when i am not spamming SB, opposed to destro. Time after time i post screenshots where i am top dd. i don´t think there is any better proof.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6236/tideog6.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6664/karafi9.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7150/82912249qy8.jpg
fcuked up on that one but as you can see i am around 170k above #2

the longer the fight the more demo-specc will shine, since the average dmg is so mich more higher than destro.

My DoT´s tick almost as hard as affli and my SB´s hit alot harder. Not as hard as destro, but thats what i got my felguard and DoTs for.

Edited, Jan 27th 2008 6:11pm by Oakenwrath

Just had to chime in here. Completely off subject. I became fond of using my Felhunter in raids when I did a short stint as DT/Ruin. I was originally a 42/1/18 affliction build, but the GM decided to put the locks on elemental duty on Vashj, so I had to respec for some burst, although I know 0/21/40 is a better overall dps build, I figured I could use DT/Ruin to get the burst and add a little personal utility. Overall I liked the build, half the fun was learning which demon with MD and/or SL would best benefit the fight, as well as the added fun of keeping your pet alive. Although I think my guildies got tired of hearing me beg for buffs on my pets.

For Vashj, Imp was nice, because of the added spell dmg, threat redux, and blood pact, but SL wasnt an option at all. Succy was great because of the +10% dmg, but again, SL wasnt an option(in fact, even with her having more life, she died faster and easier than the imp did, I assume this is because its possable to SL with a phase shifted imp, so imps only taking SL dmg, rather than SL dmg and the original AoE dmg).

So I decided to try out the good old Felhunter. Fully buffed, he gave me a rather decent amount of spell dmg, but the thing I found the most useful was the just the added survivability. I could use SL with np without my pet taking hardly any dmg because of his decent health pool, high resists, T5 2pc bonus, and catching the end of chain heals from time to time. Because I could use SL, my own personal survivability went up, and I got some extra resist, which actually did help to lower the amount of dmg I took by a good chunk.

All in all, I was very pleased with how the Felhunter worked out in that situation with that build, especially since it was in a raid envoirnment, considering its looked at as pretty much the be all end all pvp pet.

I have since respeced to 0/21/40, simply to keep up with the other warlocks in the guild(DT/Ruin was AMAZING for personal survivability with a decent dps kick to it, but it still cant compete with 0/21/40) I may go back affliction again soon, as we seem to lack one atm(were all 0/21/40 atm, and man I miss having Malediction). Although im not sure if that would make my job on Kael any harder or easier(Capernian tanking, been doing it as 0/21/40 with no FR just fine, figure survival would prolly be better with Aff, although threat may be an issue, due to the loss of 3% crit from backlash and ruin). Which again brings me to debate if I should go 42/1/18 again or 40/0/21

Btw, Kael to 35% lastnight. As of tonights attempts we will have spent 2 weeks on him. Hoping to kill him tonight and hit Hyjal :D

Anyways, back to your previous discussion of Felguards in raids, havent had the guts to show up to a raid with a Felguard so far, but you never know, one night clearing the first 5 bosses in SSC or maybe doing some world bosses I may give it a shot, im interested just to play with it in a raid hehe.

Edited, Jan 28th 2008 9:13am by Primusjuggalo

hehe woot, quick responses are nice when im bored :D


Yeah, 0/21/40 is definitely the way to go DPS wise.

For Kael, im usually the only one tanking her. Hunter MDs to me in the back of the room, ive found, if as shes running twords you, you run tword her till she stops to cast her fireball, then move back to max range, you can grab her, and never take a conflag, then we have 1-2 of our tanks(usually a prot warrior and a feral druid) hop in to range of her and take conflags.

Course in phase 3 this isnt even an issue as between the staff buff and mace buff I can tank her forever conflaged or not...go go 13.5k fully buffed hp(with sta food)

All in all seems like its actually a pretty easy fight. Doesnt seem nearly as hard as Vashj was, although Kael seems to be a bit less forgiving on small mistakes made by ppl.

Hehe, were bloated with locks. My guild(which consists of about 35 or so members) has 5 locks, any 3-5 being in the same raid each given night(we have 4 set raid days, 2 set off raid day(10 mans, Gruul, Mags, World Bosses), and one complete offday(for pvp/arena/just a break). Our GM seems to like having alot of locks around, probably because we all do a stupid high amount of dmg. When I asked him why he brought a 5th lock on rather than another mage(we have 3 atm, only had 2 at the time) he said "what can a mage give me that you locks cant anyways....long as we have 1 mage for AI and food, were good" lmao.



Edited, Jan 28th 2008 9:34am by Primusjuggalo

i think he was referring to the enire encounter with "Kael" and "she" is Capernian, one of his advisors who is female...

I am not a guy, stated few times and even proved with a pic, and yet Primusjuggalo refers to me as "he" almost all the time.... . so what?