Switching from tanking as Warrior to Pali and back.Follow

You mean aside from:

• You start with a full "rage bar" on one and an empty one on the other
• Related to above - that one's threat can be massively frontloaded and the other builds steadily
• That one is focused on reflective damage and the other on offensive dmg for threat (not rage gen, threat)
• One uses exclusively spell dmg and the other physical
• One's taunt has significant range and effects multiple mobs the other is up close and personal on a single one

Nah, they're really not that different at all.

Seriously, the fact you play them both and you can't pinpoint the differences might explain a lot of your problems.

Could be, I don't know. I suspect that you're probably just noot USING all of your protection abilities (not the ones you sepc for, the ones that are innately there) because Paladins have far fewer things that they need to juggle and it sounds like you're already having trouble focusing on the class abilities differences.



Well, no matter how many TClaps you lay down, one of those mobs is getting away. Remember another difference: Consecrate effects all targets in its AoE, TClap only effects up to 4.

If this relates to you forgetting to use one of your many fight controling abilities then yes, get frusterated because it's your fault. But if you play your possition well don't fret the DPS that fails at there job. This is common for me when I play Fire Mage... I'm not very good and might do a ton of damage, but die often. 99% of those deaths are not tank related.

Kz

Just couple quick items. Switching toons can still take getting back on track. Even for me on my pally, I do alot of solo work for items and such so I rarely have righteous fury up to avoid getting into trouble unless I plan to AOE or mass mob pull. So it is my main and since I have been working on a high level alt mage, it has happened to me as well.

The best threat mechanisms on a pally would be holy shield, righteous fury, consecrate and have seal of vengeance up, does good holy damage and when judged, can pull the attention of the target back on you.

Also, some DPSers like to go all out and cant understand that when they pop a huge crit on a boss or target, that targets attention is suddenly focused on them. While its hard to lay off, DPSers should really wait until the tank has full aggro, if its not immune using hammer of Justice or eve seal of justice to stun them can help til you pull bac threat, but I typically ask my group to let me get in there and at least get a judge off, this way the healer only needs to focus on me, I can get a solid hold on the target and maintain threat with RF and holy shield. Usually the pull will start with the avenging shield which is great for front loaded threat. The the DPsers can usually wail away on them.

It does take practice, and when you switch, at least for me, it takes some time to get back in the other mindset, even when there are two classes that do the same job, problem is, they do it in such different ways. Its more about thinking about it, great that you have the hotkeys macroed, but its a matter of positiong your group prepping them and making sure you are ready. So many groups, particularly those PUGs are in such a rush, they dont think and just try to grab all the glory, reminds me of some BGs, it is a team effort.

Plus I think you said your warrior isnt even protection which can play a vital role in your playstyle, meaning they are not very good tanks, more DPS.

When you switch, I might go out and refamiliarize myself with the toon on trash world mobs and use the techniques so they become a little more fluid. Even switching in one day can require some adjustment. Like I have to remember, that my pally cant blink LOL (god I wish he could sometimes)

Just wanted to point out, you should never try to use SoJ to get a mob back. You might stun them sure, but you are not building up any threat at all if you do that and even if you do manage to proc the stun, it only lasts for a second, hardly worth it.

There are other methods to pull the mob back onto you, and most dpsers have their own methods too. You can taunt, judge righteousness or vengeance, stun the mob, BoP the target, Avenger's Shield, Exorcism if it's undead or demon (In which case, why did you lose aggro in the first place?).

But if that player dies, you want to make sure that the mob moves to you next, and your success in that will be much more likely if you are smacking the mob with righteousness instead of SoJ.

SoJ is only good for 2 things: Its judgement and tricking mages. (SoJ proc, they blink, run up and stun them (or Repentance) and get your full 6 seconds of pounding in).

Hot Key your skull mark to something easy. CC marks should be set before you even engage. You should always have a skull on a MOB that you consider important to take down before moving on. This way you know which MOB will draw the largest amount of threat from DPS. If your group leader refuses to give up the marking spot... then you can relax and think to yourself "not my fault" if things get out of hand. Just be sure to ask for leader if he/she doesn't know how to mark.

When I'm tanking a run as warrior that is going very smooth & easy for my group I just skull mark. Same goes for tanking as pally, except I use the skull only almost always because CC isn't nessesary (only silence pulls)

My skull is very easy, so once the current skull MOB is around 5-10% health I'll swich to the next and place a skull on that one. DPS then can finish off the original and switch seemlessly.

When a MOB is a 5-10% health you should have very good control over it... if not keep an eye on it and get ready to taunt it back if nessesary (judgement call). This also gives you room to grab a lead on the next skull. Keep in mind.. MOBs that low don't last very long so you should have an idea during the fight which is next and keep up on threat throughout the process (for me as pally, its usualy the one lowest on health. That's the one that took the most Holy Damage from HS, ect... and will die the fastest). If we're going to kill Bosses before adds (rare) then I stay on the Boss for the full 100% before moving on.

Not as easy as it seems at times, but the more you do it the better you get.

Kz