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#1 Jan 17 2008 at 1:44 AM Rating: Decent
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I just started up my mage again(I'm an altoholic, but I love mage) and he's JC/mining, and I'm thinking of switching JC to tailoring (I already have a 350+ enchanter) Should I wait, or just do it now. My mage is 48 atm(forgot if theres any good stuff at that lvl) He's frost, but I have been thinking of going fire

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Edited, Jan 17th 2008 10:50am by CyrexBismarck
#2 Jan 17 2008 at 2:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just started up my mage again(I'm an altoholic, but I love mage) and he's JC/mining, and I'm thinking of switching JC to tailoring (I already have a 350+ enchanter) Should I wait, or just do it now. My mage is 48 atm(forgot if theres any good stuff at that lvl) He's frost, but I have been thinking of going fire


Altaholic, you and me both :)

At any rate, one thing to consider is that you can really power level tailoring up to 300 pretty quick, didnt start any skill on my mage til almost 60, then with all the alts and a friend who plays collecting cloth is cake and adds up fast. Tailoring will help you TREMENDOUSLY as the crafted epics you can make for fire or frost are on par with T5 gear, so my lock and mage are both tailors. Remember, you cant enchant soulbounds :( sucks which would really help, or I mean you cant enchant your own unless its on another account for some reason.

Usually do what you like, but if you have many alts, maybe save JC.mining for another alt, the option is always there to unlearn and relearn a new profession, I know its alot of work, but might not be as bad.

AS for fire/frost I levelled fire and switched to frost at 50, LOVED fire, love love loved it. At 50 you get a pet and you get more frost damage spells, PLUS when you hit 58 you get more access too plus damage gear which I now look for first even before intellect, trust me, youll have plenty of intel as most item and quest drops in outlands get you started right away with stam intel AND PLUS CRIT AND PLUS SPELL DAMAGE. Prior to that around your level and into the 50s, look for frozen wrath or of frost damage type gear, HUUUUGE difference, when your frostbolts have added damage, so to, will your crits from shatter and winter;s talent along with empowered frostbolt, more damage, more control and more survivability.

Outlands respawns and such along with low level aggro can be a pain in which frost really shines, the control you have and survivability is insane. I did ramps not too long ago with an elemental shammy and another mage and topped the charts for DPS by almost 120K of which less than half was my water elemental, plus elites are more of a snap.

Dont get me wrong I am a fire mage at heart and will prob respec at 70 and continue as fire, and it is great to level with, but with all my new crit and damage gear in outlands I tried respeccing fire just to see, and honestly, even with combustion up, the damage was not much higher, and now frostbolt seems to proc frostbite soooo much more after the recent patch, along with my crit percentage and the winter's chill talent, only 2 points, an the stronger frostbolt through talents - the crit damage was almost even, and I crit more often as frost these days, Icey veins is such a great bonus to all of this too.

BUt in the end, of course its up to to you, but your are so close to some real frost smacking talents, see pet, that perhaps wait until a few levels into 50 to respec. PLus that frozen wrath and of frost gear over intel was again, HUUUGE, kill quicker and still less downtime really.

EDIT I do see you have alot of the frost and plus damage, good job!



Edited, Jan 17th 2008 5:12am by spicyoctopusroll
#3 Jan 17 2008 at 2:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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One other note on your talents, you should really pick up frost channeling, elemental precision and arctic reach, I also like the permafrost effect, though not neccessary and the 5 talents in winters chill doesnt seem to be prudent, it stacks well enough with 2 MAYBE 3 points, do like the selection of you other talents, once you get those above then you can decide on full frost or adding some arcane into it after you fill out empowered bolts and pet.
#4 Jan 17 2008 at 2:21 AM Rating: Decent
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spicyoctopusroll wrote:
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I just started up my mage again(I'm an altoholic, but I love mage) and he's JC/mining, and I'm thinking of switching JC to tailoring (I already have a 350+ enchanter) Should I wait, or just do it now. My mage is 48 atm(forgot if theres any good stuff at that lvl) He's frost, but I have been thinking of going fire


Altaholic, you and me both :)

At any rate, one thing to consider is that you can really power level tailoring up to 300 pretty quick, didnt start any skill on my mage til almost 60, then with all the alts and a friend who plays collecting cloth is cake and adds up fast. Tailoring will help you TREMENDOUSLY as the crafted epics you can make for fire or frost are on par with T5 gear, so my lock and mage are both tailors. Remember, you cant enchant soulbounds :( sucks which would really help, or I mean you cant enchant your own unless its on another account for some reason.

Usually do what you like, but if you have many alts, maybe save JC.mining for another alt, the option is always there to unlearn and relearn a new profession, I know its alot of work, but might not be as bad.

AS for fire/frost I levelled fire and switched to frost at 50, LOVED fire, love love loved it. At 50 you get a pet and you get more frost damage spells, PLUS when you hit 58 you get more access too plus damage gear which I now look for first even before intellect, trust me, youll have plenty of intel as most item and quest drops in outlands get you started right away with stam intel AND PLUS CRIT AND PLUS SPELL DAMAGE. Prior to that around your level and into the 50s, look for frozen wrath or of frost damage type gear, HUUUUGE difference, when your frostbolts have added damage, so to, will your crits from shatter and winter;s talent along with empowered frostbolt, more damage, more control and more survivability.

Outlands respawns and such along with low level aggro can be a pain in which frost really shines, the control you have and survivability is insane. I did ramps not too long ago with an elemental shammy and another mage and topped the charts for DPS by almost 120K of which less than half was my water elemental, plus elites are more of a snap.

Dont get me wrong I am a fire mage at heart and will prob respec at 70 and continue as fire, and it is great to level with, but with all my new crit and damage gear in outlands I tried respeccing fire just to see, and honestly, even with combustion up, the damage was not much higher, and now frostbolt seems to proc frostbite soooo much more after the recent patch, along with my crit percentage and the winter's chill talent, only 2 points, an the stronger frostbolt through talents - the crit damage was almost even, and I crit more often as frost these days, Icey veins is such a great bonus to all of this too.

BUt in the end, of course its up to to you, but your are so close to some real frost smacking talents, see pet, that perhaps wait until a few levels into 50 to respec. PLus that frozen wrath and of frost gear over intel was again, HUUUGE, kill quicker and still less downtime really.

EDIT I do see you have alot of the frost and plus damage, good job!



Edited, Jan 17th 2008 5:12am by spicyoctopusroll


Ok, I'll stay frost, and grab tailoring. Also, I just found out that the frost bolt from six demon bag(which the most random trinket ever) triggers frostbite :3
#5 Jan 17 2008 at 2:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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DId not know that, I may have to look into that, thanks for the tip!
#6 Jan 17 2008 at 2:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh and since you are on a different server, I can definitely say that having a pet and frost in PVP, if you ever do it, can really put a dent in the opposing factions day, I mean ranged frost nova, and added dps from a pet that scales with your damage, what could be better? Oh cold snap to use it again, and the ice floes cooldown of cold snap just adds to the frosty goodness.

Previous post I meant pints in ice flows as you already had the arctic reach
#7 Jan 18 2008 at 7:20 AM Rating: Good
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If you are serious about levelling your mage to 70, you can also wait with going tailoring till you get close to 70, then power level it and just keep making money on the way up to 70 with a gathering skill while keeping all the cloth gained with questing in the bank.

Tailoring becomes worth it at close to 70 and almost a must at 70. Only at 70 the epic tailormade items become available so no real need to go tailoring early in my opinion.
#8 Jan 18 2008 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I've got Heb/Alch on my mage...and want to switch to tailoring at 70. Would it make more sense to drop Herb or Alch? Just looking for advice.

I was thinking Herb, since it will be easier/cheaper to level on another alt...but not quite sure.
#9 Jan 18 2008 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I had an alch once, so lemme tell you this, just drop alch now, it's more profitable selling the herbs, just go tailor+herb and make a disenchant alt.
#10 Jan 18 2008 at 9:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've got Heb/Alch on my mage...and want to switch to tailoring at 70. Would it make more sense to drop Herb or Alch? Just looking for advice.

I was thinking Herb, since it will be easier/cheaper to level on another alt...but not quite sure.


Kind of a double edged sword and have run across this myself. The issue comes into play with gathering if you are gathering to level your primary such as alchemy that a lower level alt, unless its a higher level, will be much more difficult due to the zone and level restrictions on your lower level alt. If you choose to dump one, the best bet, to me, would be herbalism, depending on how high your alchemy is. If it is over 200 then I would keep that as the herbs and the time and money spent were quite a bit. Many of the herbs can be had on AH and running around trying to gather them, unless you have some sort of tracking mod can be a pain.

Other side of the sword is that gathering can make some good money in the AH. So if your alch is relatively low you can drop it, also remember that a lot of high level tailoring requires stuff that can be made with alchemy, so even that can be profitable in the AH.

My instinct, if your alchemy is fairly high, is to do what you suspect and drop herbalism and pick it up on an alt, hopefully they are high enough to really do some good in terms of the level of your alt. Because trying to level two side by side can take some time. Ive done it, but after awhile you start focusing on one alt and before you know it they are ten levels higher than the other and usually the profession, if kept up, is as well.

Tough decision, and only you can know what your alts are and how high their professions are, but that is my experience. Unless you have guildies or someone you play with that can gather herbs for you.
#11 Jan 18 2008 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for input. Honestly, I love Alch. Until this toon, I never really used pots. Now, I use them all the time on all my toons. The buffs and bonuses are pretty sweet.

I also have another main toon who has much more money, and a DE/bank alt. That being said, and with Mr. Sushi's advice, I'll probably drop Herb for Tailoring once I hit 70. Then, I'll pick up Herb on another alt (who has an epic mount), and farm it up fast.

Thanks all.
#12 Jan 18 2008 at 1:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly, I love Alch. Until this toon, I never really used pots. Now, I use them all the time on all my toons. The buffs and bonuses are pretty sweet.


LOL, I never really thought much of alchemy until my duo partner, druid, took it up and uses them and loves them as well for those sweet buffs and bonuses. Plus, like I said, with the higher end tailoring there are some great things that alchemy can do for you! Glad I could help :)
#13 Jan 22 2008 at 4:38 AM Rating: Decent
CyrexBismarck wrote:
Also, I just found out that the frost bolt from six demon bag(which the most random trinket ever) triggers frostbite :3


The Six Demon Bag is yet another movie reference stowed away by the people at Blizzard. This one is from "Big Trouble In Little China", which is one of my personal favorites.

Also look for the quest train "Chasing A-Me 01" in Un'Goro Crater, which refers to both "Chasing Amy" and "Congo".

And this is not a new trend by Blizzard. The "Boogie Nights" character "Dirk Diggler" is referenced in "Diablo II" as an artifact dirk named "The Diggler".

Stay tuned for more of Blizzards favorite movies in expansions and games to come.
#14 Jan 22 2008 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
JFree wrote:
CyrexBismarck wrote:
Also, I just found out that the frost bolt from six demon bag(which the most random trinket ever) triggers frostbite :3


The Six Demon Bag is yet another movie reference stowed away by the people at Blizzard. This one is from "Big Trouble In Little China", which is one of my personal favorites.

Also look for the quest train "Chasing A-Me 01" in Un'Goro Crater, which refers to both "Chasing Amy" and "Congo".

And this is not a new trend by Blizzard. The "Boogie Nights" character "Dirk Diggler" is referenced in "Diablo II" as an artifact dirk named "The Diggler".

Stay tuned for more of Blizzards favorite movies in expansions and games to come.


don't forget about all of the character references in outland and so forth,

harris pilton I believe is common and one that is a mixture of pink floyd.
#15 Jan 22 2008 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Just go to netherstorm - I don't know what the devs had smoked when they did that zone, but the place is one big reference to songs and all other fancy stuff.
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