Greetings - I am new to the forums, old to WoW, and new to the Mage class.
I have read a lot on the forums, but there is one thing I can't seem to find.
In game, I keep hearing references to "One-Shot Mages" or mages who can kill an equal-level mob with one shot. I am sure this is the result of gear boosts and buffs, and that they must be a fire mage, but what is the talent spec that would create a "One-Shot Mage"? What is the spell that would kill an equal-level mob in one shot?
Thanks for your help and advice!
Ecclesium
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Ecclesium wrote:
Greetings - I am new to the forums, old to WoW, and new to the Mage class.
I have read a lot on the forums, but there is one thing I can't seem to find.
In game, I keep hearing references to "One-Shot Mages" or mages who can kill an equal-level mob with one shot. I am sure this is the result of gear boosts and buffs, and that they must be a fire mage, but what is the talent spec that would create a "One-Shot Mage"? What is the spell that would kill an equal-level mob in one shot?
Thanks for your help and advice!
Ecclesium
I have read a lot on the forums, but there is one thing I can't seem to find.
In game, I keep hearing references to "One-Shot Mages" or mages who can kill an equal-level mob with one shot. I am sure this is the result of gear boosts and buffs, and that they must be a fire mage, but what is the talent spec that would create a "One-Shot Mage"? What is the spell that would kill an equal-level mob in one shot?
Thanks for your help and advice!
Ecclesium
I'd imagine a basic 40/21/0 would be the best bet(40/0/21 might work too). Check out the sticky for those.
Now, I'm not sure you can really 1 shot normal equal level mobs, though I do regularly 2 shot(assuming one crit and 4 seconds for the ignite tick) mobs as a 10/48/3(now 2/48/11).
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What is the downside to the 40/21/0 then if it can one-shot? Why go with anything else?
What/why is 10/48/3 (or its variations) a more popular choice?
What/why is 10/48/3 (or its variations) a more popular choice?
Ecclesium wrote:
What is the downside to the 40/21/0 then if it can one-shot? Why go with anything else?
Consistency. The 40/21/0 will get much more powerful crits, but you won't get em as often as a 10/48/3, nor will your average hits be as big(all this is assuming about 700 or so +dmg untalented).
I mean sure, 40/21/0 will have a much better chance at 1 shotting mobs, but best case scenario is it will be a once in a while thing without AP and only controllable with AP.
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What is the downside to the 40/21/0 then if it can one-shot? Why go with anything else?
I tried it at a time on the PTRs, it is a mana hog and just didnt have any consistency as Poldaran pointed out. Akin to the three minute mage as they one shot things and have to wait three minutes for the cooldowns. Usually used more in PVP. But combined with ignite, combustion and other talents in fire, boy howdy! Ive two hit sometime three hit mobs easily, nice to do at 41 yards instead of 35 and watch the last few hit points burn them up as they struggle to reach you before falling to ash.
Then again, I am now frost, with shatter and full talents, I have held my own in couple shotting things as well, plus I get a pet :)
Looking for that one spec for any class that is all powerful, just wont happen, playstyle comes into, well, play, whether you want to excel in PVP or PVE or be ok at both. High end content or just five mans, etc.
When frostbite procs off a frostbolt, and then you frostbolt ice lance shatter combo, it is fairly common to 2 or 3 shot mobs of my level as well.
most one shots against a same lvl mob/ally are really 2 shots. It's a AP/PoM/Pyro and a fireblast at the same time. With 800ish spelldamage unbuffed and untalented its pretty easy to 1 shot just about anything/anyone with some lucky crits. Just the other day I double crit a hunter in 2v2 after poping out of invis. Pyro for 6200, fireblast for 2k, and a 1k tick = dead hunter. Squishies are even easier in arena (i'm talking low res right now). A pyro crit and normal fireblast will kill most mages/priests right away.
The reason alot of people don't do it is for mobs it has to crit, and talents are on CD. In PvP high res makes it impossible.
The reason alot of people don't do it is for mobs it has to crit, and talents are on CD. In PvP high res makes it impossible.
my 64 mage 2-shots yellow mobs on crit; otherwise, it takes 4 spells (adds Rank 1 Frost Nova + 1 more dmg spell)
fire spec, obviously. 31 pts to combustion
my trinkets are macro-ed to my fireball and my gear has 350 spell damage
fire spec, obviously. 31 pts to combustion
my trinkets are macro-ed to my fireball and my gear has 350 spell damage
My 51 mage is able to 2 shot on crits. Pyroblast crit and then a Fire Blast crit and it's dead. Grant it, I've instanced most of the way to 50 so my gear is mostly blues, but the trinket from the mage quest at 50 helps a lot on this too.
Poldy,
What's this 2/48/11 spec of which you speak. I looked at your talents from your sig and it still shows you has 10/48/3. I ask becuase I am lvl 63 and I have a 10/41/3 spec. Would I get some PVP benefits (survivability) if I moved some points around. Currently I'm kicking **** in instances and solo, but against other players...well...I don't last long.
-V
What's this 2/48/11 spec of which you speak. I looked at your talents from your sig and it still shows you has 10/48/3. I ask becuase I am lvl 63 and I have a 10/41/3 spec. Would I get some PVP benefits (survivability) if I moved some points around. Currently I'm kicking **** in instances and solo, but against other players...well...I don't last long.
-V
I have a 2/48/11 on my character, you should be able to see it on there, if not search for my character on the armory.
Anobix,
Would I be correct in assuming that taking points from arcane and moving them into frost is a move for more PVP'ability? I don't currently PVP at all, although I may in the future. For raids and instances the reallocation of those points doesn't seem to have a benefit.
Thanks.
-V
Would I be correct in assuming that taking points from arcane and moving them into frost is a move for more PVP'ability? I don't currently PVP at all, although I may in the future. For raids and instances the reallocation of those points doesn't seem to have a benefit.
Thanks.
-V
Vytorius wrote:
Anobix,
Would I be correct in assuming that taking points from arcane and moving them into frost is a move for more PVP'ability? I don't currently PVP at all, although I may in the future. For raids and instances the reallocation of those points doesn't seem to have a benefit.
Thanks.
-V
Would I be correct in assuming that taking points from arcane and moving them into frost is a move for more PVP'ability? I don't currently PVP at all, although I may in the future. For raids and instances the reallocation of those points doesn't seem to have a benefit.
Thanks.
-V
I'm not Anobix, but I got to your question faster than he did.
Taking 8 points from Arcane and putting them in frost is a smart move for raid DPSing. Icy Veins is the only thing those 8 points really gets you, but it's worth it with the new mana gems.
Edited, Jan 21st 2008 10:34pm by Poldaran
Speaks the truth
I just specced from 10/48/3 to 2/48/11 today and Icy Veins is a lot of fun and with the new mana gems you really don't miss clearcasting.
For the 2/47+1/11 build I recommend putting a point in Blazing Speed for fun. I soled Stratholme as this build earlier and it saved me from death a few times. Its more of a pvp talent but having one point in improved fire blast seemed a waste as I never use it - so why not stick a point to give you a 5% chance of saving your butt?
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I just specced from 10/48/3 to 2/48/11 today and Icy Veins is a lot of fun and with the new mana gems you really don't miss clearcasting.
For the 2/47+1/11 build I recommend putting a point in Blazing Speed for fun. I soled Stratholme as this build earlier and it saved me from death a few times. Its more of a pvp talent but having one point in improved fire blast seemed a waste as I never use it - so why not stick a point to give you a 5% chance of saving your butt?
N
Hmmm, Now that I'm 70 on my mage I might have to give this 2/48/11 spec a try. I'm still full frost right now but plan on changing over to improve dps for raid/5-mans.
The armory is blocked at work so I can't get a close look at the spec right now.
Edited, Jan 29th 2008 10:25am by Scolariman
The armory is blocked at work so I can't get a close look at the spec right now.
Edited, Jan 29th 2008 10:25am by Scolariman
Assuming you just hit 70, that may not actually be the highest DPS available to you. The thing about full fire is how it scales as opposed to initial burst.
However, I'm not sure how things have changed since Icy Veins was introduced. Consider going here and importing your armory profile and seeing which of the DPS specs give you the most oomph for your gear.
However, I'm not sure how things have changed since Icy Veins was introduced. Consider going here and importing your armory profile and seeing which of the DPS specs give you the most oomph for your gear.
That link seems to be blocked as well. They are really crazy about what sites we can and can't see. Seems like Alla. and Wowhead are the only 2 gaming sites that are not blocked. No worries though I'll just check when I get home.
I'll have my spellfire gear completed soon. I also looted the Spellstrike pants pattern last week from Slabs on my first run so those will be made soon after I get done with my x-mutes (nether is waiting in bank). There are a few trinkets/weapons I need to collect over the next week or so and then I should be fairly well geared for higher level content.
I'll have my spellfire gear completed soon. I also looted the Spellstrike pants pattern last week from Slabs on my first run so those will be made soon after I get done with my x-mutes (nether is waiting in bank). There are a few trinkets/weapons I need to collect over the next week or so and then I should be fairly well geared for higher level content.
Yeah, well if you're gonna be in full spellfire/spellstrike with full enchants and pretty good gear in the other slots, then 0/47/11 +3 is probably the way to go for you after all.
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Poldaran, thank you very much for linking the 'Manoutoftime' page in your post earlier, I went there, imported my Armoury profile and played with the different specs listed in the drop downs and noted that by changing to EITHER 10/48/3 or 2/47/11 +1 spec (I'm currently 33/28 A/F) - my Avg Dmg went up by 7K to 21,940 and my Dmg Sec increased by a couple of hundred to 860!
Now unless I'm interpretting the figures wrong ... WOW what a difference! Talk about not playing to your full potential - doh!!
Now unless I'm interpretting the figures wrong ... WOW what a difference! Talk about not playing to your full potential - doh!!
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