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#1 Jan 16 2008 at 6:41 AM Rating: Good
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Hi.

What I am interested in is the viability of a third pet (1&2 = cat and scorpid) and which gives the most, overall, to raiding (currently in the eye and ssc, so keeping those raids (and above) in mind).

I had thought that the choice was between 2:

- bird, for screech
- wolf, for furious howl

1) It seems that the bird screech "Debuffs attack power of enemies" (source: petopia), but does that apply to bosses?

2) Does that have more of an impact than the furious howl boost, to the party?

3) Can it combine with demoralizing shout?

Thanks.
#2 Jan 16 2008 at 7:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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enigmachine wrote:

1) It seems that the bird screech "Debuffs attack power of enemies" (source: petopia), but does that apply to bosses?


Yes it can be applied to bosses.

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2) Does that have more of an impact than the furious howl boost, to the party?


Not really, both a pretty mediocre abilities in raids. Screechs damage reduction is not going to be a major impact on the damage your tank takes. The actual numbers may show that it does help, but the tank is still going to be hit hard, and it won't be noticeable to the tank(except if you have parsers or something to show the data).

Same thing with furious howl. The AP increase on one attack isn't that great. It won't show a major increase in damage output.

Now if I had to choose between the two, it would be Furious Howl, because it benefits the whole group, where screech only really benefits the Tank.

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3) Can it combine with demoralizing shout?


You can have both Demo and Screech cast on a mob at the same time.


With those questions out of the way. Neither ability are all that great in any raid. If you are going for the best pet for raids(overall as you put it), and are not concerned about going for look and feel. Then get a ravager. They are the highest DPS pet, and in a raid, Pets are basically an extra DoT. As such, you would want the DoT that does the most amount of damage, and that my friend is the Ravager.
#3 Jan 16 2008 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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It's funny how that happens but I was just going to ask this exact same question. I made my first foray into Kara with my two headed vulture of doom and quickly realized that screech probably doesn't have the impact I'd like.


#4 Jan 16 2008 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a DPS pet, but thanks all the same - for the other answers.
#5 Jan 16 2008 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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1. Screech will work, but if you have a warrior with 2/5 imp demo shout it wont matter, as the mob will be AP-debuff-capped.
2. Furious howl was great, but since there's no TBC ranks of it, it's usefulness has gone way down.
3. If the warrior does NOT have any points in imp demo shout, it will stack. If they do, it will appear to stack, but because of the cap in the amount of AP a mob can lose, it will do nothing except waste a debuff slot.

Honestly, unless they buff FH or the warrior in your raid does not have imp demo shout, I'd just stick with the cat for raiding (else tame a ravager as they are even higher DPS).
#6 Jan 16 2008 at 12:26 PM Rating: Default
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Honestly I use a Wind Serpent for raiding as we almost always have mana busquits in our raid.

(someone always brings like a whole table worth to the raid from a guildy that can make it.)

I just take 2-3 stacks 1 for my pet 2 for me and I am good to go. It makes it convenient as your pet might die a lot like my wind serpent does do to the resists that I put on it in leu or Armor or health.

I keep a stack of normal bread for my Serpent just in case no one brings the yummy mage food.

Also the wind Serpent is the only one that when needed I can pull without risk to our party or myself =D

Just eye of the beast fly over to target we want to scout out. Oh hey he's alone. Lightning breath, make sure only one is incoming and then if that's the case cancel Eye of the Beast and bring the single back to the tank where s/he promptly takes it off my pet with just 1 hit.

So for all around utility I would either get a Wind Serpent or a Cat to be honest as Prowl is a nice scouting tool as well for instances your party might not know that well.

Edited, Jan 16th 2008 12:30pm by HitashLevat
#7 Jan 16 2008 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Owl for solo stuff (sometimes for instances), cat for raiding, I tried using a scorpid to take up a debuff slot in arena, seemed to me like a waste of DPS. I use a cat over ravager for raiding because in shorter fights and in heroics, it seems to have less spotty damage, when compared to a ravager.


Edited, Jan 16th 2008 6:43pm by Yuppley
#8 Jan 16 2008 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
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@ skribs

"I'd just stick with the cat for raiding"

I do. It's my first.


@ all

Thanks for the answers.

It doesn't seem that there is yet a significant enough pet to overtake my current first and second choices.

I'll try some others and then see what happens in the expansion.

Thanks.
#9 Jan 16 2008 at 11:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Eh, the arguements in favor of claw over gore I still dont get. Over a few fights the amount of damage will about even-out...heck in 1 fight unless it lasts 2.9 seconds or less you should on average get 1 proc in anyway.
#10 Jan 16 2008 at 11:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Yuppley wrote:
use a cat over ravager for raiding because in shorter fights and in heroics, it seems to have less spotty damage, when compared to a ravager.


What makes you say that? Cats and Ravagers have the same base damage (+10%), can both learn Bite, and both have a focus dump ability... It's just that the focus dump ability on the ravager is better because it has a 50% chance to do double damage.

So I guess you can say that it's spotty in places... But I wouldn't call it spotty. I call it more spike damage.
#11 Jan 17 2008 at 1:21 AM Rating: Decent
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HitashLevat wrote:
Honestly I use a Wind Serpent for raiding as we almost always have mana busquits in our raid.


They eat fish too, same as cats and carrion birds. Those 3 + fishing.... I am never out of pet food in any situation.

#12 Jan 17 2008 at 4:32 AM Rating: Decent
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screech is best vs melee heavy groups of mobs, not so common in raids, furious howl hasnt been updated since BC and isnt good anymore.
Just go with a ravager.... utility from your pets isnt needed in raids.
#13 Jan 17 2008 at 10:14 AM Rating: Default
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True but I never wasted my time trying to level fishing as I get bored easy and if I have time to just sit around and fish... Ill get on an alt and level him/her.
#14 Jan 17 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I wasn't sure what to say, it does seem to spike more than a cat, and by all means, I'm not saying cats are better than ravagers, its just what I prefer.
#15 Jan 17 2008 at 12:35 PM Rating: Good
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They are so close it doesn't matter. If you're min/maxing get the ravager, otherwise I'll quote the sig above

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#16 Jan 17 2008 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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I really like Wolves. I like having one with my character. WHich is why it pains me to say the best thing I can say about them in terms of functionality is; there's nothing wrong with them.

Furious Howl is seriously underpowered (It really needed a new rank in TBC, if it doesn't get on in WotLK, you can pretty much consider Wolves extinct from WoW) and, while I like my wolf a lot and when I eventually get him to 70, I'll prolly take the little guy into raids, there'll be a part of me that's kinda sad at all that focus going to waste as there's no focus dump.

Screech is nothing short of awesome in a solo pet, but nothing to write home about in raids. It's also worth pointing out a lot of tanks hate birds.

Fo for a 3rd raid pet, I'd recommend a Ravager or, if you have the crit for it, a Wind Serpent.
#17 Jan 17 2008 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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rasen wrote:
if you have the crit for it, a Wind Serpent.


Do you know if a WS, even with a ton of crit for GftT, will match a ravager in terms of DPS?
#18 Jan 18 2008 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Yuppley wrote:
rasen wrote:
if you have the crit for it, a Wind Serpent.


Do you know if a WS, even with a ton of crit for GftT, will match a ravager in terms of DPS?
Ravagers profit as much from GftT as Windserpents until you crit more then once each 3 seconds... over the entire fight.
#19 Jan 18 2008 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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Aethien wrote:
Yuppley wrote:
rasen wrote:
if you have the crit for it, a Wind Serpent.


Do you know if a WS, even with a ton of crit for GftT, will match a ravager in terms of DPS?
Ravagers profit as much from GftT as Windserpents until you crit more then once each 3 seconds... over the entire fight.


I don't care about that. I will continue using my beautiful Skii to rain destruction and mayhem on any burning legion that gets in my way. Her lightning breath is the harbinger of death, and my bow is the nail that closes the coffin.

Edited, Jan 18th 2008 9:24am by SynnTastic
#20 Jan 18 2008 at 6:50 AM Rating: Decent
Besides, Ravagers look fugly...
#21 Jan 18 2008 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
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they do, they are wretched weird alien stuff.....
(they should get one fully black with glowing red eyes >:D )

But they do the best dps out of all pets thus i use one.
#22 Jan 18 2008 at 8:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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If only I could get claw or gore on my giant pink bird of death.
*heavy theatrically sigh*

I’ve tried using a ravager on several occasions, I even gave one a name I really liked, but I’ve just never been able to bond with one.
#23 Jan 18 2008 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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avagers profit as much from GftT as Windserpents until you crit more then once each 3 seconds

So for SV Hunters, the Windserpent really is king.

Was looking at a recent WWS report, and bearing in mind Tesla (My WS) is not an uber-buffed-big-mean-red-BM pet, and at the time was level 68 (yes I brought an underlevelled pet to Kara so I'll suck up any Huntard points I'm owed for that) Lightning Breath contributed 5% to my total DPS. Which I'm quite happy with.

BRK is also starting to see the benefits of the flying noodle.

I reckon actually there'd be a point where, allowing for enough crit and RAP, a Windserpent could outdamage a Ravager.

I'm just not sure where exactly that point would be.

Edited, Jan 18th 2008 12:42pm by Rasen
#24 Jan 18 2008 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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There probably is a point, but if you assume a 1:1.5 shot rotation on a 2.26 attack speed, that comes out to a shot every 0.904 seconds. Take your crit % (maybe 35-40%) and you should get a crit every 2.5-3.0 seconds, assuming it follows a pattern rather than proc. As it is you may get 3 crits in a row, followed by 6 seconds of no crits. Ravagers are slower but steadier in their focus dump, allowing more time for a crit to happen.
#25 Jan 24 2008 at 2:10 AM Rating: Decent
I personally love how ravagers look; I even went all the way to Bloodmyst Isle on a PvP server for one as soon as was high enough level to tame one. Am I in the minority?

Please excuse the off-topicness.
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