now, before i say anything, i'm Alliance, but in truth, it's only because i started with them, and the cities seem much less confusing at first, plus, i'll start horde somewhere else later.
ONWARD TO TOPIC!
well, this is the first time i've played a rogue, and i've just become a level 28 human rogue.
now, for the past 10 levels, i've used the same weapons, while increasing other gear, the weapons i've been using are Buzzer blade, and thief's balde, both from deadmines, both blue, the sword, has 14 DPS and the Dagger has 14.4 DPS. and i've heard some people say that i shouldn't use two different types of weapons, and thus far, i haven't seen any reason not too.
now for good measure, i'm on a PvE server, and thats what i intend to do as i play. my questions, are:
1: should i choose either Daggers or Swords? i understand for specialization, but alot of people say sword for PvE, but I chose my setup, for using things like ambush and backstab, which i often do to start most combat.
2: now, from the start, i've put more into the assasination, about all but three points, as i have a point in the dodge tallent and 2 in the improved sinister strike. should i respec (i have a bit of money to do so, and a constant flow from my miner, and my rogue himself from pick pocketing and skinning) full combat, or stick for assasination. keep in mind i'm going for PvE rogue, and grinding fairly fast (i know that some people may say this is because of impatience, i'm just looking for the best leveling route, i can respec and do other crap later :P)
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get 2 swords
and spec combat swords
fastest lvling build there is read the sticky on builds
however to start off get imp evi, imp sinister strike, lethality.
then build it up from there.
end game your looking at 17 points in assasintaion and 44 in combat
and spec combat swords
fastest lvling build there is read the sticky on builds
however to start off get imp evi, imp sinister strike, lethality.
then build it up from there.
end game your looking at 17 points in assasintaion and 44 in combat
Two ways you can go. The most common way is to spec full combat (at least 41 points) with swords. This is voted the best sustained DPS for rogues. However, it is boring! You can't use rogue trademark skills like Backstab and Ambush. If you want to live up to your name as a rogue, go assassination. It's not bad for PvE; certainly not as DPS-oriented as combat, but fun and powerful nonetheless. Avoid Shadowstep specs, cuz subtlety is for steath-->uber burst damage (ie. PvP).
Conclusion: combat for incredible DPS but monochrome gameplay, assassination for not so good DPS but interesting gameplay. Your pick.
Conclusion: combat for incredible DPS but monochrome gameplay, assassination for not so good DPS but interesting gameplay. Your pick.
pokmin wrote:
i've just become a level 28 human rogue.
Do you fight crime like Batman? Did you train at a ninja monestary? Did Ra's Al Ghul teach you the art of stealth?
Skulking around stabbing people with daggers is considered socially impolite these days. Plus the cops are pretty good at catching people.
Edited, Jan 16th 2008 10:45am by DrMayhem
Don't feel bad for rolling a human alliance. Yes, there are better races and factions out there, but I often get jumped by humans because of their perception ability. Also, have the bonus to reputation gain is quite handy for someone whose focus is PvE.
The reason that people suggest that you stick with the same type of weapon is because of the weapon specializations about midway down the combat tree. If you're going to invest five talent points in something, you want to make as much use of it as you can. If you don't use the same weapon type for both hands, you're only going to get half of the effect of your chosen weapon specialization.
Assasination is a great talent tree, with plenty of nasty tricks to pick up on your way to your ultimate goal - mutilate. Mutilate is a terriffic talent for pvp, but it doesn't offer the same kind of pve power that combat swords does.
What makes the combat tree shine for leveling are Dual Wield specialization, Sword Specialization, Blade flurry, and Adrenaline rush. Perhaps the biggest problem a rogue has while leveling is having to face multiple opponents at once. It happens ALL THE TIME. However, by using adrenaline rush and blade flurry, I've been able to cut through four mobs at once (with the help of blind and evasion.)
The reason that people suggest that you stick with the same type of weapon is because of the weapon specializations about midway down the combat tree. If you're going to invest five talent points in something, you want to make as much use of it as you can. If you don't use the same weapon type for both hands, you're only going to get half of the effect of your chosen weapon specialization.
Assasination is a great talent tree, with plenty of nasty tricks to pick up on your way to your ultimate goal - mutilate. Mutilate is a terriffic talent for pvp, but it doesn't offer the same kind of pve power that combat swords does.
What makes the combat tree shine for leveling are Dual Wield specialization, Sword Specialization, Blade flurry, and Adrenaline rush. Perhaps the biggest problem a rogue has while leveling is having to face multiple opponents at once. It happens ALL THE TIME. However, by using adrenaline rush and blade flurry, I've been able to cut through four mobs at once (with the help of blind and evasion.)
ya forget the race and alliance or horde. not important. now let me tell you, the reason that people say choose just one type of weapon is for the weapon specialization in the combat tree. if you do not go down far enough into that tree to get the specialization, then forget about the necessity of having two of the same type of weapons--unless you are mutilate 41pt assassin talent, then you need to dual wield two daggers.
onward. you say you open with ambush and this is the reason that you want to use a dagger. this requires a dagger in the mainhand. not very good if you are going to be spamming sinister strike, which i assume you are because you took 2/2 sinister strike. and here is the most important part of my advice: if you are going to use sinister strike, then you want to make sure that you have a nice slow weapon in your main hand. this will probably have a speed of 2.6 in an ideal case in the burning crusade. the reason for this is that the slower the weapon you have, the higher the damage range is for the weapon to compensate for the slower speed. rogues use MANY instant attacks. this means the speed of the weapon itself doesn't matter, hitting sinister strike makes your character attack instantly. a higher damage range thus can result in a higher damage output.
it is perfectly acceptable to use daggers, it may be very hard if you are a new player, a lot harder than combat swords or maces. but if you DO use daggers, then i wouldn't recommend using sinister strike. you are consistently hitting for lower damage than you would be with a comparable weapon of slower speed, guaranteed. you should be using backstab, which you stated that you do. if this is the case that you prefer perhaps you should move those points to improved gouge in the combat tree, because this will allow more time to get the backstab in and more energy regeneration while you are not taking damage. gouge tick tick attack. grinding with daggers is hard because it requires that interrupt move so you can go behind your target. your only options really are gouge, kidney shot, and the oh so expensive blind (3minute cooldown so it's not for repeated use). i've seen many experienced and competent players level up with daggers, and on my 2nd rogue (horde server--my main is a rogue on alliance) i plan on going daggers--he's level 38.
mainly you just need to choose which moves you want to use--consider opening up with cheap shot, you get 2cps and some free hits on your target, equating to more damage than backstab most likely. consider also that you can go combat swords or maces or whatever and still open with ambush. just macro in a weapon swap. this way you can begin with ambush and switch your weapons to swords so you can spam sinister strike. that's one option for you...
onward. you say you open with ambush and this is the reason that you want to use a dagger. this requires a dagger in the mainhand. not very good if you are going to be spamming sinister strike, which i assume you are because you took 2/2 sinister strike. and here is the most important part of my advice: if you are going to use sinister strike, then you want to make sure that you have a nice slow weapon in your main hand. this will probably have a speed of 2.6 in an ideal case in the burning crusade. the reason for this is that the slower the weapon you have, the higher the damage range is for the weapon to compensate for the slower speed. rogues use MANY instant attacks. this means the speed of the weapon itself doesn't matter, hitting sinister strike makes your character attack instantly. a higher damage range thus can result in a higher damage output.
it is perfectly acceptable to use daggers, it may be very hard if you are a new player, a lot harder than combat swords or maces. but if you DO use daggers, then i wouldn't recommend using sinister strike. you are consistently hitting for lower damage than you would be with a comparable weapon of slower speed, guaranteed. you should be using backstab, which you stated that you do. if this is the case that you prefer perhaps you should move those points to improved gouge in the combat tree, because this will allow more time to get the backstab in and more energy regeneration while you are not taking damage. gouge tick tick attack. grinding with daggers is hard because it requires that interrupt move so you can go behind your target. your only options really are gouge, kidney shot, and the oh so expensive blind (3minute cooldown so it's not for repeated use). i've seen many experienced and competent players level up with daggers, and on my 2nd rogue (horde server--my main is a rogue on alliance) i plan on going daggers--he's level 38.
mainly you just need to choose which moves you want to use--consider opening up with cheap shot, you get 2cps and some free hits on your target, equating to more damage than backstab most likely. consider also that you can go combat swords or maces or whatever and still open with ambush. just macro in a weapon swap. this way you can begin with ambush and switch your weapons to swords so you can spam sinister strike. that's one option for you...
You may find, as I did, that setting up Ambush for every fight becomes very tedious with the speed reduction you take in Stealth.
I respec'd to Combat Swords and it made leveling a lot faster (I open with Cheap Shot now).
I respec'd to Combat Swords and it made leveling a lot faster (I open with Cheap Shot now).
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onward. you say you open with ambush and this is the reason that you want to use a dagger. this requires a dagger in the mainhand. not very good if you are going to be spamming sinister strike, which i assume you are because you took 2/2 sinister strike. and here is the most important part of my advice: if you are going to use sinister strike, then you want to make sure that you have a nice slow weapon in your main hand. this will probably have a speed of 2.6 in an ideal case in the burning crusade. the reason for this is that the slower the weapon you have, the higher the damage range is for the weapon to compensate for the slower speed. rogues use MANY instant attacks. this means the speed of the weapon itself doesn't matter, hitting sinister strike makes your character attack instantly. a higher damage range thus can result in a higher damage output.
it is perfectly acceptable to use daggers, it may be very hard if you are a new player, a lot harder than combat swords or maces. but if you DO use daggers, then i wouldn't recommend using sinister strike. you are consistently hitting for lower damage than you would be with a comparable weapon of slower speed, guaranteed. you should be using backstab, which you stated that you do. if this is the case that you prefer perhaps you should move those points to improved gouge in the combat tree, because this will allow more time to get the backstab in and more energy regeneration while you are not taking damage. gouge tick tick attack. grinding with daggers is hard because it requires that interrupt move so you can go behind your target. your only options really are gouge, kidney shot, and the oh so expensive blind (3minute cooldown so it's not for repeated use). i've seen many experienced and competent players level up with daggers, and on my 2nd rogue (horde server--my main is a rogue on alliance) i plan on going daggers--he's level 38.
wrong wrong wrong.
Sinister Strike is normalized, meaning that if you use a dagger it will treat your weapon speed as if it were 1.8, and anything else will be treated as if it had 2.4. So using a slower weapon doesn't increase your SS damage, though using a dagger will lower your SS damage.
hmm, thank you all for all the tips guys, i'm pretty new to the game, so i'm only starting to learn about things like the GCD and such, and weapon speed and all that. i think i'll repec now, hehehe.
thing is, i haven't seen any slow 1H swords yet, i suppose they may be higher level swords.
thing is, i haven't seen any slow 1H swords yet, i suppose they may be higher level swords.
scratch that about the sword weapon speed i said, i'm an idiot, i was thinking of somehting else.
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